[Lnc-business] Chair's Proposed Agenda - LNC Meeting December 10-11, 2016

Fri Dec 2 17:12:47 EST 2016

Joshua,

Yes, a gatekeeper is different in some respect and not different in
others.  I see what it comes down to here is whether or not those things
were damaging to the image of the Party (your two examples) - yet in your
explication of them, they clearly were thought to be.  And I hate to mine
the subjunctive, but I think if I were on the APRC at those times, I would
have flagged them as such (the Facebook one, I bet that no one even looked
at it - FB review has its own challenges).  And if something is not clearly
hurting the image of the party - that these were vague and highly
subjective, this is not something a "messaging" committee will solve.
Again, this is a solution looking for a problem. The two examples you gave
are just the nature the beast, would not have been solved, and clearly fall
within the "image of the Party" issue - and the LNC can easily adopt
guidelines for that without creating another committee.  And it can select
people for the APRC it believe will safeguard the image of the Party.
Without revealing confidential communications, I can confidently say that
the current APRC I think is very diligent in doing so - all of the members,
not just one or two.

I believe we should be solving actual problems, and I do not see this as
one at this time, and even if it were, it is an LNC level problem.  And I
can see this getting way out of our hands, go in a direction that is
objectionable, and hard to solve at that point, while keeping in the hands
of the representatives elected by the delegates is a safeguard.

-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I have no idea what else to say, I clearly am not communicating clearly.
> A "gatekeeper" is not the same thing as a messaging strategy, saying yes or
> no to communications based on interpretations of texts is not advance
> guidance (and doesn't become advance guidance if you add in an additional
> subjective standard when that standard is not defined), and a closed
> committee is not the same thing as a decision by this body, known to the
> membership, to direct the way we are represented.
>
> I disagree entirely about the urgent-gram last term, as an aside.  The
> requirement regarding casting the party in a negative light has a much
> higher standard to me; in fact, nothing about an urgent-gram seems like it
> would fit a straightforward definition of casting the party in a negative
> light.  Organizations send them all the time, and they happen to work.  I
> simply see it as something else the LNC clearly wanted (at that time, I
> don't know what the current LNC thinks on the matter) but did not
> articulate ahead of time.  Staff should, additionally, be able to operate
> on the LNC's instructions and make decisions within them, but that's
> another matter not raised by this motion.
>
> I agree that we should let the LNC do it.  However, I believe that larger
> bodies such as the LNC are more effective at adopting, rejecting, or
> amending concrete proposals than drawing up strategies.  If this fails, I
> may in the future seek to have the LNC do it directly.
>
> I also disagree, somewhat, on the Rand Paul meme, but the details are not
> the point.  I believe there was no sense in which it violated anything or
> 'cast the party in a negative light' and so should have been stopped by the
> APRC.  If you disagree, so be it.  I stand by my claim that there is a
> world of difference between gatekeeping and strategizing, and that
> gatekeeping cannot substitute for strategizing.
>
> I will debate more with you next weekend.
>
> Joshua A. Katz
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 12:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Joshua,
>>
>> Broad messaging guidelines can be handled by the LNC- and should be.
>> However, I found that your examples did not provide a complete picture.
>> And I think it is a solution looking for a problem.
>>
>> *The “urgent-gram” *:The APRC doesn’t just check for rules violations as
>> you know.  It also checks for possible denigration of image of the Party
>> and should have caught that.  The fact that the LNC might not like a
>> decision of the APRC doesn’t indicate a need to form a new committee that
>> removes that job from the LNC or the APRC.  It means perhaps the LNC needs
>> to issue some “image of the Party” guidelines to the APRC - or just realize
>> that sometimes there will be disagreements and imperfect humans make
>> imperfect decisions.  There is no need to create "turtles all the way down."
>>
>> *The FB meme*: I do not think that portrayed what happened completely.
>> The suggestion was that we “Don’t need any more Clintons, Bushs, or Pauls”
>> - and was seen as a slam on Ron by libertarians - and not solely an issue
>> of whether or not libertarians should vote for Rand (I think it is obvious
>> that the Party will not be promoting voting for a Presidential candidate
>> who is not the Libertarian candidate) - the issue with including Rand was
>> that many people felt it was egregious to compare Rand to a Clinton or a
>> Bush.  I remember that situation quite well.  Further the meme was
>> inaccurate as it was referring to prior people who were elected (a prior
>> Clinton and a prior Bush and thus not needing another one of those) and
>> equated that to a Paul as if Ron were previously elected.  And all THAT
>> should have been caught by the APRC. That would not have been solved by any
>> additional committee as the “policing” of that would still be APRC.  The
>> bad juju should have been obvious, and it was a slipping through the cracks
>> of something that should have been caught, and no additional committee
>> would have prevented that.  Here is an article by a site that was pro-Rand
>> at the time: https://alibertarianfuture.com/big-government/propagan
>> da/the-libertarian-party-attacked-rand-paul-libertarians-attacked-back/
>>  However, FB is high volume and the way to review it is somewhat clunky,
>> and things like that may occasionally happen.
>>
>> The staff is given feedback. Through the APRC as set up.  We HAVE a
>> messaging gatekeeper already.  The APRC is set up to do just that, and if
>> broad messaging guidelines need to be promulgated, let’s do it.  Part of
>> the issue as I see it, is that we have more responsibilities than can be
>> handled in quarterly meetings, and the email list is inefficient for some
>> things, and ignored by some members of the committee for whatever reason -
>> reason isn’t relevant when we are just dealing with reality.  If the LNC
>> needs to provide more direction on things like this, we should set up an
>> electronic special meeting to do so and take care of it as the quarterly
>> meetings are already quite full.
>>
>> If the LNC needs to issue messaging guidelines, let the LNC do it.  That
>> is OUR job - and ultimately - the Chair who sets the tone and messaging
>> during his/her tenure.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If it goes on the blog next week I'm satisfied.
>>>
>>> The earlier post about the HQ party did not have the livestream link
>>> which is what I want to be sure is suitably advertised to members,
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 2, 2016, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't think it's relevant to put it on the home page right now.  I
>>>> plan to promote it on the blog next week so it will be on the home page the
>>>> week of the meeting. An announcement including a link to the meeting
>>>> details was emailed to our list and was also posted on the home page for a
>>>> while: https://www.lp.org/election-update-party-at-headquarters-i-t
>>>> -volunteers/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314(202) 333-0008 ext. 232 <(202)%20333-0008>, wes.benedict at lp.orgfacebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>>>
>>>> On 12/1/2016 9:12 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Why does this not appear on the front page of the site?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 6:46 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Wes.  My report has been submitted.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict at lp.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Draft proposed agenda and live broadcast link is posted here towards
>>>>>> the bottom of the even details:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.lp.org/event/lnc-meeting-alexandria/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reports will be added as they become available and as time permits to
>>>>>> get them loaded.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>>>>> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314(202) 333-0008 ext. 232 <%28202%29%20333-0008>, wes.benedict at lp.orgfacebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
>>>>>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/30/2016 10:25 AM, Nicholas Sarwark wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've attached a draft proposed agenda for the meeting on December 10
>>>>>> and 11.  I've made efforts to accommodate all requests for time I've
>>>>>> received and still have the meeting fit within the time available.
>>>>>> Please let me know if there are requests I've missed or changes you
>>>>>> would suggest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yours truly,
>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>
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>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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