[Lnc-business] Empowered Future Committee update

Sun Dec 18 21:50:18 EST 2016

Hi Larry, thank you for the clarification.

On the name, here is my concern, and I have not been shy about my
concerns.  There is an institutional history of slippage on the LNC, and
this committee was approved for one thing.  Solicit bids and I would think
making recommendations on those bids would be implied within that
authorization.  The name sets up expansion - expansion which was not
approved or voted upon.  This will seem pedantic to some, but I find the
concern to be real - as I have already seen happen twice.  Once with the
suggestion that the slogan question is one for this new committee and just
today with the suggestion that all of a sudden we are going to veer off
into a messaging committee.  I like things to be accurately named for what
they are - yes, even in a utilitarian manner - not as a set up for
something else or something that does not give members any idea of what the
heck the committee is.  Committees are utilitarian bodies, not motivational
vehicles.  No member can see this name and have any idea what it is.  While
I might think the APRC should be the "Super Awesome Warriors of Liberty
Committee" that doesn't give an idea of what we do.  If we are going to
have a non-functionally descriptive name, yes, I am the one who thinks that
is part of the committee creation, not something decided on later.  This
was a 2016 Campaign Review Committee or something similar.  These overly
colorful names are prejudical to those of us who were not in favor of this
action.  What kind of terrible person is against an "Empowered Future"?
Yet a reasonable person can be against bringing in a non-Libertarian
political consultant or soliciting bids. Thus, as a dissenting vote, I
object.

My duty is to be cautious. This is a limited committee to obtain bids and
give opinions on the bids.

Once again, great choice of David.  He will be an asset to you both.

-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 7:35 PM, Larry Sharpe <lsharpe at neo-sage.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Just to be clear, we will only be getting bids, as we discussed. In that
> process, we will probably gain much information and opinions regarding
> other aspects of our future. We will have that ready for any future
> committees or future assignments for this committee.
>
> Also, we did not remember a name being authorized, so we selected one.
>
> In addition, we will probably require an extension to the January 10 date.
>
> Have a great week.
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Exactly, Joshua had this item on the agenda, and I had full arguments
>> prepared in opposition.  To slip it in this way is very back door and I
>> HIGHLY OBJECT.
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I would re-iterate all of my prior concerns on number of members and
>>> lack of party experience.  This is not what was presented, and I do not
>>> believe it is proper to get one thing passed and have it slip into
>>> another.  If there is to be a "messaging" committee, ANY LNC member who
>>> wishes to be on it, should be on it.   But that is not what was presented.
>>> No discussions on qualifications for any such thing were discussed etc.
>>> This is the LNC's job, and if THAT is the job of the Committee, I request a
>>> place.
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree with your point regarding discussion versus a motion.  Intent
>>>> versus action.
>>>>
>>>> I'd ask Mr. Somes to please clarify what he wants to do with this
>>>> committee.  We can then discuss what should/shouldn't be in there, and then
>>>> vote accordingly, if necessary, to clarify and solidify the scope.
>>>>
>>>> I personally think empowering a committee to come up with
>>>> recommendations regarding strategies and messaging would be good.  And
>>>> after hearing those recommendations, the LNC/APRC could adopt them, or not.
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2016-12-18 18:05, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The motion is as worded in the minutes but they were not empowered to
>>>> produce such a report as you described.  That is way beyond the scope and
>>>> all of my prior objections would be even more amplified.  Discussion is not
>>>> a motion.  What I posted above is what was passed, nothing more.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Do we have access to the video archive of the meeting?  Does anyone
>>>>> have that link handy?
>>>>>
>>>>> I had thought the purpose of the committee was, broadly, to find out
>>>>> how we could boost our image through the modification of wording and
>>>>> phraseology. As part of that, they would solicit bids from political image
>>>>> consultants to determine a cost of having them given their
>>>>> recommendations.  I remember that during discussion there was talk of not
>>>>> having to accept the bids, or only accepting portions of bids, and that
>>>>> some work could be possibly done internally.  The LNC would still have to
>>>>> approve any spending in that regard. And in my mind, I assumed that any
>>>>> recommendations, whether from paid or unpaid sources, would have to be run
>>>>> through APRC or the entire LNC prior to implementation.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think clarification regarding the scope of this committee would be a
>>>>> good idea. I am personally in favor of a committee that works to fine-tune
>>>>> our messaging; that makes suggestions on using words and phrases that
>>>>> soothe, rather than scare, the public. These would be recommendations
>>>>> presented to the APRC and/or the LNC, and not implemented officially until
>>>>> approve is given from one or both of those.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no doubt that Messrs Demerest, Sharpe, Somes have the very
>>>>> best intentions in mind, and I just want to be sure that everyone agrees to
>>>>> the scope NOW so there are no hurt feelings later.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2016-12-18 17:43, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I also do not know where this committee name came from. This was not
>>>>> approved by the LNC, the Committee Name approved by the LNC was "Committee
>>>>> to Review 2016 Campaign"
>>>>>
>>>>> And this is the Motion:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On behalf of Trent Somes, Mr. Hagan moved that the Libertarian
>>>>> National Committee establish a committee to take bids from political
>>>>> consultants for the task of extensively reviewing and making
>>>>> recommendations for the Libertarian Party's messaging (and modes of
>>>>> messaging), inclusion in the debates, fundraising and campaign finance,
>>>>> campaign mechanics, and state and local affiliates. Said agency will agree
>>>>> to present their findings to the public before December of 2017. The
>>>>> committee will take bids until the 10th of January.
>>>>>
>>>>> And a subsequent Motion:  Ms. Mattson made a motion which, following
>>>>> amendment without objection, was to appoint the just-approved committee to
>>>>> be three people, comprised of Larry Sharpe, Trent Somes, and a third person
>>>>> of their choosing.
>>>>>
>>>>> *I must insist that we keep to what was actually voted on and
>>>>> approved.*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Good choice!  But here I am with an objection already- Ken said "Good
>>>>>> luck with that committee. I'm excited to have a formalized report on how to
>>>>>> improve our branding and image without abandoning our principles. "
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *That is not what this committee was created to do.  The committee
>>>>>> was created to obtain bids and obtain bids only. That is it.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will continue to raise these objections about the LNC tendency to
>>>>>> slippage.  I ask everyone to refer back to the meeting minutes for
>>>>>> precisely the purpose of this committee.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:33 PM, Patrick McKnight <
>>>>>> patrick.joseph.mcknight at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fantastic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Patrick McKnight
>>>>>>> Region 8 Representative
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 18, 2016 5:28 PM, "Ken Moellman" <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good luck with that committee. I'm excited to have a formalized
>>>>>>>> report on how to improve our branding and image without abandoning our
>>>>>>>> principles.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>>>>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>>>>>>>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2016-12-18 17:17, Trent Somes wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello all -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> After careful consideration, Larry Sharpe and I have chosen David
>>>>>>>> Demarest as the third member to our committee. He has graciously accepted
>>>>>>>> the position and we are excited to get rolling.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We will work hard to continue to keep the LNC updated on our
>>>>>>>> progress.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you very much,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trent Somes, III
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from iPhone
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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