[Lnc-business] LPedia

Wed Jan 4 18:05:23 EST 2017

Thanks for this explanation.  I see now that my question was not
well-designed to get the result I wanted. Let me be more direct.  From what
I see, the suggestion is to change hosting companies, not change anything
else except what must change as a result, and pay less.  I don't see any
reason anyone can object to that, and if that's the long and short of it, I
have no feedback other than "sounds great and thank you so much for
figuring this out."

I have no intention of venturing into the technical side of this, but I see
one question to ask from the business side.  The story I told above doesn't
include the fact that the asset has been sitting, unused, for quite some
time, and that we intend to change the way it works on the "inside."  Do we
lock in for a long time to get that hosting package, and if so, does that
interfere with the range of things we could wind up doing with the inside?

Joshua A. Katz

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 8:09 AM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org> wrote:

> The current LPedia site is hosted on the same hosting account as our old
> (2008-2016) LP.org website.  Co-hosting with the primary LP.org has
> presented issues of control.  There has been a (valid) reluctance to let
> non-staff manage LPedia because it may create security issues for sites
> co-hosted on the same account.  By splitting LPedia into its own hosting
> account, that problem is resolved.  (Also, the final destination for LP.org
> will make co-hosting impossible anyway.)
>
> Additionally, the new hosting company will update the software for us, and
> will help us fight the spam.  This is a huge benefit. The hosting company
> is suggesting two different approaches: either lock down LPedia to to which
> we grant access, or use spam-fighting tools to help stop the spam.  There's
> a balance to be struck here, but I don't want to make the decision on which
> way to go.  The point is that we have options.
>
> From a budget perspective, we're going to save money overall.  Today we
> have 3 line items related to various versions of LP.org.
> (1) The "Softlayer" line item is for LP.org as it existed from 2002-2008
> and still hosts our email today.  We pay about $800/mo for this.  We can
> replace this service for far less; it will likely be between $40 and $250
> per month, depending on the solution.
> (2) The "Rackspace" line item is for LP.org from 2008-2016, and also holds
> LPedia.  This is about $1000/mo.
> (3) The current web hosting is also about $1200/mo as it stands.  I'm not
> sure where this will end up once it gets re-implemented, but I assume it
> will be about the same.
>
> So we're looking, overall, at reducing budget from about $3000/mo down to
> approximately $1500/mo.  Don't hold me to these figures just yet; there are
> still decisions to be made.  The goal here is to provide better service at
> a lower price.  I think that goal is attainable.
>
> In response to Mr. Katz's question about required LNC action, the Policy
> Manual outlines the following: "Nothing in this policy should be construed
> as requiring staff to consult with this Committee for routine changes or
> any changes that are not expected to have an effect on the way HQ deals
> with any affiliate."  I believe that this change falls under this category,
> but because we're changing how things are sliced up, I wanted to make sure
> that the LNC was okay with this move before just doing it. I am not one to
> operate in an "ask for forgiveness" mode.  I'd rather make sure that
> everyone understands what's happening, and we agree to take action.
>
>
> I'm also currently working on a motion to bring forth to create a
> committee responsible for maintaining LPedia and all historical documents
> of the party.  I haven't made this motion yet, because I want to be sure
> that this motion is crafted properly; providing control for these
> invaluable assets but with checks-and-balances to prevent unwarranted
> destruction of them.
>
>
> ---
>
> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
> LPKY Judicial Committee
>
>
>
> On 2017-01-04 01:45, Starchild wrote:
>
>
> Nearly 2 years ago (Feb. 15, 2014), I posted to the LNC list (in part):
>
>
>
> There is the makings of an excellent Libertarian Party historical archive
> in the form of a wiki specifically devoted to the party, at LPedia.org.
> The site is apparently owned by the LNC (see http://www.whois.com/
> whois/lpedia.org ). Since LPedia.org remains online, we presumably
> continue to pay for web hosting, but the site has not been updated since
> 2008 -- the most recent entries generally appear to be spam (see
> http://www.lpedia.org/Special:Recentchanges ) -- and I have been unable
> to log in or create a new account. An email I sent a couple weeks ago to
> webmaster at lpedia.org has gone unanswered.
>
> This resource has received a significant amount of web traffic (see
> http://www.lpedia.org/Special:Statistics), but it appears that it is
> being totally wasted. Does anyone know anything about this? Robert Kraus's
> name is listed as Admin.
>
>
> At that time, I had not heard anyone else in the party leadership talking
> about it; I discovered the site and raised the issue on my own. I haven't
> heard what we are paying for what definitely has been a "neglected asset" –
> can someone supply that information, and where the expense appears in our
> budget? If we can keep the site while saving money that's a good thing, all
> else being equal, but hosting is not to my mind the only hurdle to overcome
> in terms of making it a functional asset.
>
> From what I can see, the basic issue is that staff doesn't have time to
> tightly administer the site, but there has been a reluctance to release our
> grip on information enough to make it fully functional (allow everyone, or
> at the very least LP members, to edit it as readily as one can edit
> Wikipedia) *without* a big investment of staff time.
>
> Ken, does the approach you are talking about here address this problem? If
> so, how? Please be specific.
>
> Love & Liberty,
>                                     ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>                                   (415) 625-FREE
>                                     @StarchildSF
>
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 10:10 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>
> As you all know, I have been the one really pushing for the LPedia issue
> and I spoke with Ken at length about this, and I am satisfied with this and
> in fact more than satisfied.  And from what I understand it is a cost
> savings from what we were paying for this neglected asset, and it becomes a
> functional assert.
>
> I thank Ken for his hard work and diligence on this.
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 10:46 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
> wrote:
>
>> All -
>>
>> After discussion with Sean and staff, we believe we have found a good,
>> long-term solution for LPedia.  We have found a hosting company who has
>> offered to host LPedia for less than $500/yr.  This solution is a corporate
>> plan with a Virtual Private Server with DDOS protection. They offer advice
>> on best practices as well as services to help block the spam that has
>> plagued LPedia. Best of all, the solution includes support. So, if LPedia
>> has a problem, there's a number to call to get it fixed.
>>
>> This fixes the technical problems with LPedia and moves us towards our
>> goal of saving the party money.
>>
>> I wanted to give the LNC the opportunity to object to this move prior to
>> pulling the trigger.  If you have any questions, please let me know.
>> --
>>
>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>> LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
>> LPKY Judicial Committee
>>
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> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
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