[Lnc-business] EFC Update and Extension

Wed Jan 11 14:35:36 EST 2017

We did not vote on a messaging committee and this is precisely what I
objected to immediately after the meeting.  This is completely improper,

I'm not going to rehash my prior extensive objections but will save them
for actual debate.

This was a committee to obtain bids and make recommendations (implied
scope)- nothing more.

---Caryn Ann

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 12:32 PM Larry Sharpe <lsharpe at neo-sage.com> wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
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> Please give us the extension or don't. All good, either way.
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> We are asking for nothing else: No more authority, no more scope, no name
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> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 2:18 PM, Demarest, David P. <
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> To start the ball rolling, I suggest “Messaging Technique Committee” (MTC)
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> Caryn Ann, I understand and agree with your concerns about committee scope
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> disagreement within all levels of the LP on whether LP outreach message
> content is or should be based on platform content that is too timid, too
> bold or as many variations in between
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> voice of the LP would benefit from a major overhaul of our messaging
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> *technique* strategy that has an undeniably poor track record.
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> Like you, I am inclined to think that passive-aggressive attempts to
> promote a false-dichotomy Libertarian conflict between principles and
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> freedom goals. At the same time, blind allegiance to static historical
> imperatives does a disservice to our intellectual abilities. Reality
> suggests that LP consensus on Platform disagreements
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> of the long knives” strategy proposed by a small cadre of “Libertarian”
> Machiavellian authoritarians with latent statist motivations.
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> inertia and internal disagreements. Institutions are great focal points but
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> liberty-oriented sensibilities of most Libertarians. Accordingly, I propose
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> institutions as inspirational focal points designed to lead by example,
> empower and motivate individual Libertarians to strike out on their own and
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> food-for-thought ideas on bottom-up personal opportunities to move the
> needle in the direction of freedom. Those ideas naturally lead to
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> institutional cocoon comfort zones and seize the initiative to accelerate
> getting Libertarian stuff done.
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> *From:* Caryn Ann Harlos [mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com]
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> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org]
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> sponsor an email ballot, however there are two technical problems with the
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> 1)  This motion references "EFC", but if someone is not reading these
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> no clue what this motion is talking about.
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> committee at all, but it was under an agenda heading about reviewing the
> 2016 campaign.  Following the meeting when I needed to have staff add this
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> which is what the January 10th date was.  However, the wording now says the
> committee is to present us a report by the date of January 30, though the
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> the bid submission deadline to come up with any recommendations and make
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> amend the motion we adopted in December to change the date, and leave the
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> representation is just a little more readable.)  Amend the motion we
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> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Demarest, David P. <
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> *From:* David Demarest [mailto:dpdemarest at centurylink.net]
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> *Cc:* Demarest, David P.; 'David Demarest'
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> *Subject:* RE: [Lnc-business] EFC Update and Extension
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