[Lnc-business] EFC Update and Extension

Wed Jan 11 14:39:07 EST 2017

Hi Caryn,

Yes. Absolutely, I agree and that is exactly what we are doing. Nothing
more, nothing less. I hope that is clear from my emails.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
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> We did not vote on a messaging committee and this is precisely what I
> objected to immediately after the meeting.  This is completely improper,
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> I'm not going to rehash my prior extensive objections but will save them
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> This was a committee to obtain bids and make recommendations (implied
> scope)- nothing more.
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> ---Caryn Ann
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> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 12:32 PM Larry Sharpe <lsharpe at neo-sage.com>
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>> Hi Everyone,
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>> Please give us the extension or don't. All good, either way.
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>> We are asking for nothing else: No more authority, no more scope, no name
>> change, nothing else. Just an extension.
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>> Thank you.
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>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 2:18 PM, Demarest, David P. <
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>> To start the ball rolling, I suggest “Messaging Technique Committee”
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>> Caryn Ann, I understand and agree with your concerns about committee
>> scope creep and backdoor circumvention of the principle and message content
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>> of the Platform Committee and convention delegates. There is wide-spread
>> disagreement within all levels of the LP on whether LP outreach message
>> content is or should be based on platform content that is too timid, too
>> bold or as many variations in between
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>> as there are individual Libertarians. However, many would agree that the
>> voice of the LP would benefit from a major overhaul of our messaging
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>> *technique* strategy that has an undeniably poor track record.
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>> Like you, I am inclined to think that passive-aggressive attempts to
>> promote a false-dichotomy Libertarian conflict between principles and
>> getting stuff done
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>> and freedom goals. At the same time, blind allegiance to static historical
>> imperatives does a disservice to our intellectual abilities. Reality
>> suggests that LP consensus on Platform disagreements
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>> “night of the long knives” strategy proposed by a small cadre of
>> “Libertarian” Machiavellian authoritarians with latent statist motivations.
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>> Institutions, by their very nature as groups of individuals, suffer from
>> inertia and internal disagreements. Institutions are great focal points but
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>> they are dominated by top-down dictatorial authoritarians that offend the
>> liberty-oriented sensibilities of most Libertarians. Accordingly, I propose
>> that we embrace our internal institutional
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>> institutions as inspirational focal points designed to lead by example,
>> empower and motivate individual Libertarians to strike out on their own and
>> do the bulk of getting Libertarian stuff
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>> I love the LP and LNC as inspirational focal points and gatherings. There
>> I can network with talented action-oriented Libertarians with an admirable
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>> food-for-thought ideas on bottom-up personal opportunities to move the
>> needle in the direction of freedom. Those ideas naturally lead to
>> self-starter collaborations within smaller groups
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>> Libertarian stuff done without institutional distractions.
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>> One exciting purpose of the upcoming October 20-22 2017 Omaha Libertarian
>> Strategy UnConvention is to facilitate a dialog on how to embrace
>> Libertarian institutional
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>> institutional cocoon comfort zones and seize the initiative to accelerate
>> getting Libertarian stuff done.
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>> ~David Pratt Demarest
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>> *From:* Caryn Ann Harlos [mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com]
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>> Trent, Larry and co-sponsors: Thoughts?
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>> ~David Pratt Demarest
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>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org]
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>> *On Behalf Of *Alicia Mattson
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>> sponsor an email ballot, however there are two technical problems with the
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>> threads as we are, and they're just reading our minutes later, they'll have
>> no clue what this motion is talking about.
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>> committee at all, but it was under an agenda heading about reviewing the
>> 2016 campaign.  Following the meeting when I needed to have staff add this
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>> imposes new requirements on the committee and doesn't accurately represent
>> what the date in the original motion was
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>> which is what the January 10th date was.  However, the wording now says the
>> committee is to present us a report by the date of January 30, though the
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>> deadline January 30, the committee would presumably need some time after
>> the bid submission deadline to come up with any recommendations and make
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>> amend the motion we adopted in December to change the date, and leave the
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>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Demarest, David P. <
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>> Extend deadline from 1/10/2017 to 1/30/2017 for EFC presentation to LNC
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>> *2017 Omaha Libertarian Strategy UnConvention Oct 20-22*
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>> *From:* David Demarest [mailto:dpdemarest at centurylink.net]
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>> *Cc:* Demarest, David P.; 'David Demarest'
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>> *Subject:* RE: [Lnc-business] EFC Update and Extension
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>> Larry
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>> *Larry Sharpe*
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>> *The Neo-Sage Group, Inc.*
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*The Neo-Sage Group, Inc.*

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