[Lnc-business] EFC Update and Extension

[Larry Sharpe]

Sorry, *Caryn Ann.

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Larry Sharpe <lsharpe at neo-sage.com> wrote:

> Hi Caryn,
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> Yes. Absolutely, I agree and that is exactly what we are doing. Nothing
> more, nothing less. I hope that is clear from my emails.
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> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> We did not vote on a messaging committee and this is precisely what I
>> objected to immediately after the meeting.  This is completely improper,
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>> I'm not going to rehash my prior extensive objections but will save them
>> for actual debate.
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>> This was a committee to obtain bids and make recommendations (implied
>> scope)- nothing more.
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>> ---Caryn Ann
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>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 12:32 PM Larry Sharpe <lsharpe at neo-sage.com>
>> wrote:
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>>> Hi Everyone,
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>>> Please give us the extension or don't. All good, either way.
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>>> We are asking for nothing else: No more authority, no more scope, no
>>> name change, nothing else. Just an extension.
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>>> Thank you.
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>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 2:18 PM, Demarest, David P. <
>>> David.Demarest at firstdata.com> wrote:
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>>> Since we are considering Alicia’s wise suggested amendment to the
>>> original motion at the December LNC meeting, this would be a good
>>> opportunity to include in
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>>> the amendment a clear, concise name for the committee agreeable to all.
>>> Then we can get on with the more important challenge of getting stuff done.
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>>> To start the ball rolling, I suggest “Messaging Technique Committee”
>>> (MTC) or “Messaging Mode Committee” (MMC) as an improvement on the present
>>> “Name Unknown
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>>> Committee” (NUC). Others?
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>>> Caryn Ann, I understand and agree with your concerns about committee
>>> scope creep and backdoor circumvention of the principle and message content
>>> approval responsibilities
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>>> of the Platform Committee and convention delegates. There is wide-spread
>>> disagreement within all levels of the LP on whether LP outreach message
>>> content is or should be based on platform content that is too timid, too
>>> bold or as many variations in between
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>>> as there are individual Libertarians. However, many would agree that the
>>> voice of the LP would benefit from a major overhaul of our messaging
>>>
>>> *technique* strategy that has an undeniably poor track record.
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>>> Like you, I am inclined to think that passive-aggressive attempts to
>>> promote a false-dichotomy Libertarian conflict between principles and
>>> getting stuff done
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>>> is both divisive and subversive to our LP platform, messaging strategy
>>> and freedom goals. At the same time, blind allegiance to static historical
>>> imperatives does a disservice to our intellectual abilities. Reality
>>> suggests that LP consensus on Platform disagreements
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>>> is not likely to occur in the foreseeable future, with or without a
>>> “night of the long knives” strategy proposed by a small cadre of
>>> “Libertarian” Machiavellian authoritarians with latent statist motivations.
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>>> Institutions, by their very nature as groups of individuals, suffer from
>>> inertia and internal disagreements. Institutions are great focal points but
>>> their size
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>>> and diversity often results in diminished productivity returns unless
>>> they are dominated by top-down dictatorial authoritarians that offend the
>>> liberty-oriented sensibilities of most Libertarians. Accordingly, I propose
>>> that we embrace our internal institutional
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>>> disagreements and leverage our diversity to refocus our Libertarian
>>> institutions as inspirational focal points designed to lead by example,
>>> empower and motivate individual Libertarians to strike out on their own and
>>> do the bulk of getting Libertarian stuff
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>>> I love the LP and LNC as inspirational focal points and gatherings.
>>> There I can network with talented action-oriented Libertarians with an
>>> admirable variety
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>>> of persuasions. That diversity is directly responsible for a wealth of
>>> food-for-thought ideas on bottom-up personal opportunities to move the
>>> needle in the direction of freedom. Those ideas naturally lead to
>>> self-starter collaborations within smaller groups
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>>> of like-minded Libertarians that share similar principles and can get
>>> Libertarian stuff done without institutional distractions.
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>>> One exciting purpose of the upcoming October 20-22 2017 Omaha
>>> Libertarian Strategy UnConvention is to facilitate a dialog on how to
>>> embrace Libertarian institutional
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>>> disagreements and inspire individual Libertarians to emerge from their
>>> institutional cocoon comfort zones and seize the initiative to accelerate
>>> getting Libertarian stuff done.
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>>> Thoughts?
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>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
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>>> *From:* Caryn Ann Harlos [mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com]
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>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2017 11:04 AM
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>>> *To:* Libertarian National Committee list
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>>> *Cc:* Demarest, David P.
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>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] EFC Update and Extension
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>>> I too agree (I am not a co-sponsor but just giving my thoughts) to
>>> Alicia's points on the wording.
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>>> Alicia also touched upon an objection I had early on.  The Committee
>>> name does not reflect what was passed or what the Committee is actually
>>> doing in the narrow confines of what was passed.  I continue to object to
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>>> *In Liberty,*
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>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
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>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
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>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 7:47 AM, David Demarest <
>>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
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>>> I agree with Alicia’s thoughtful suggestion on how to make the “EFC”
>>> motion simple and technically correct.
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>>> Trent, Larry and co-sponsors: Thoughts?
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>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
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>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org]
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>>> *On Behalf Of *Alicia Mattson
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>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:11 AM
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>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] EFC Update and Extension
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>>> There are 5 co-sponsors of this motion, which is more than enough to
>>> sponsor an email ballot, however there are two technical problems with the
>>> wording, one of which is fairly important
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>>> to note.  I want to make sure the co-sponsors are aware of this before I
>>> send it out for a vote.
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>>> 1)  This motion references "EFC", but if someone is not reading these
>>> threads as we are, and they're just reading our minutes later, they'll have
>>> no clue what this motion is talking about.
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>>> At the time we created the committee, we didn't specify any name for the
>>> committee at all, but it was under an agenda heading about reviewing the
>>> 2016 campaign.  Following the meeting when I needed to have staff add this
>>> committee to our website, I merely
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>>> had them designate it as the Committee to Solicit Bids for Reviewing
>>> 2016 Campaign.  That way it would be easy to find in our minutes what that
>>> committee was.
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>>> The committee members themselves nicknamed it the Empowered Future
>>> Committee (? I think ?), but that name appears nowhere in our minutes, nor
>>> does the acronym EFC.
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>>> The name confusion will will leave readers in the dark about what it was
>>> this motion did.
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>>> 2)  The bigger technical issue with this motion is that it actually
>>> imposes new requirements on the committee and doesn't accurately represent
>>> what the date in the original motion was
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>>> for.  This wording says nothing about changing the due date for the
>>> bids, which is what the January 10th date was.  However, the wording now
>>> says the committee is to present us a report by the date of January 30,
>>> though the original motion required no report
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>>> from the committee to the LNC in January.  If we mean to make the bid
>>> deadline January 30, the committee would presumably need some time after
>>> the bid submission deadline to come up with any recommendations and make
>>> any sort of report back to us about the
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>>> Is that what the co-sponsors intended to do?  Impose a new reporting
>>> requirement on an unreasonable time frame?
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>>> My suggestion to fix both issues is that you take Joshua's idea to
>>> merely amend the motion we adopted in December to change the date, and
>>> leave the rest of the wording alone.  (Okay,
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>>> technically Joshua said just to change the "1" to a "3", but this
>>> representation is just a little more readable.)  Amend the motion we
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>>> of extensively reviewing and making recommendations for the Libertarian
>>> Party’s messaging (and modes of messaging), inclusion in the debates,
>>> fundraising and campaign finance, campaign mechanics, and state and local
>>> affiliates. Said agency will agree to present
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>>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Demarest, David P. <
>>> David.Demarest at firstdata.com> wrote:
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>>> I am seeking co-sponsors for the following motion:
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>>> Extend deadline from 1/10/2017 to 1/30/2017 for EFC presentation to LNC
>>> of report on political consultant bids, analysis and recommendations.
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>>> *2017 Omaha Libertarian Strategy UnConvention Oct 20-22*
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>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
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>>> *From:* David Demarest [mailto:dpdemarest at centurylink.net]
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>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 09, 2017 11:02 PM
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>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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>>> *Cc:* Demarest, David P.; 'David Demarest'
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>>> *Subject:* RE: [Lnc-business] EFC Update and Extension
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>>> If you can provide the desired wording, I will offer the motion unless
>>> someone has already done so.
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>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
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>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org
>>> <lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org>]
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>>> *On Behalf Of *Joshua Katz
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>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 09, 2017 7:35 PM
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>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
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>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] EFC Update and Extension
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>>> My recollection is that we chose January 10 so that the bids would be
>>> presented on my birthday.  I'm disappointed we won't be able to receive
>>> them on that auspicious occasion.
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>>> I will cosponsor a motion with Sam, however, to amend our previously
>>> adopted motion by substituting a 3 for the 1 in "10."
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>>> On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 6:15 PM, Larry Sharpe <lsharpe at neo-sage.com>
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>>> Hi LNC Team,
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>>> Happy New Year.
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>>> We have found four possible vendors for proposals. Each has our request
>>> and is scheduled to provide us with a plan/proposal by the end
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>>> We will whittle these down and perhaps have a Q & A and/or a 2nd round
>>> before selecting 2 or 3 of them to present (heir plans with details)
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>>> As I mentioned in a previous note, we will need to extend our deadline.
>>> It was challenging to get the right vendors who are the right
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>>> size, with the right backgrounds, that are willing to help us with
>>> flexible pricing options. And when you add on the Holiday Season, this was
>>> even tougher.
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>>> Therefore, with respect, the EFC requests an extension to January 30th
>>> to confidently be able to present options to the LNC.
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>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.lpcolorado.org&d=CwMFaQ&c=ewHkv9vLloTwhsKn5d4bTdoqsmBfyfooQX5O7EQLv5TtBZ1CwcvjU063xndfqI8U&r=POfq57_C0OM3236VPm9_N_9MhP1EEP_0raNPnh6qDnw&m=3iwVVz9Ld5uWndgb4jc7RADVjb3vIYGWRpVVgCcHCsY&s=CpAVmmZctS2xivi4Q65TlFvZzyn-EI9UJIPp-pViABI&e=>
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>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.lpradicalcaucus.org&d=CwMFaQ&c=ewHkv9vLloTwhsKn5d4bTdoqsmBfyfooQX5O7EQLv5TtBZ1CwcvjU063xndfqI8U&r=POfq57_C0OM3236VPm9_N_9MhP1EEP_0raNPnh6qDnw&m=3iwVVz9Ld5uWndgb4jc7RADVjb3vIYGWRpVVgCcHCsY&s=LYq-BaRt9p0XmB0w33OAuNiOz5YvxTqpyjcS2VGhhEU&e=>
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>>> --
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>>> Larry
>>>
>>> *Larry Sharpe*
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>>> *The Neo-Sage Group, Inc.*
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>>> http://TheNeoSage.com/ <http://theneosage.com/>
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>>> <https://www.facebook.com/TheNeoSageGroup>
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>>> *https://www.facebook.com/neosage <https://www.facebook.com/neosage>*
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>>> *212-307-3545 <212-307-3545>*
>>>   *Instructing – Advancing – Inspiring*
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>
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> --
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> Larry
>
> *Larry Sharpe*
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> *The Neo-Sage Group, Inc.*
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> http://TheNeoSage.com/ <http://theneosage.com/>
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> <https://www.facebook.com/TheNeoSageGroup>
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> http://www.linkedin.com/in/neosage
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> *212-307-3545 <212-307-3545>*
>   *Instructing – Advancing – Inspiring*
>



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Larry

*Larry Sharpe*

*The Neo-Sage Group, Inc.*

http://TheNeoSage.com/ <http://theneosage.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/TheNeoSageGroup>

https://www.youtube.com/user/TheNeoSage

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