[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-02: Historic Preservation Committee

[Patrick McKnight]

I vote Yes.

Patrick McKnight
Region 8 Representative

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 11:47 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Thanks for that rule citation - curious how that would work in a body (not
> us) that has staggered officer terms.  Off topic here- if anyone has an
> answer to that email me.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 8:34 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Since this committee dissolves at the end of the term, it's extra clear,
>> but remember that we have Policy Manual Section 1.03.2 which sets an
>> expiration date for all committee appointments.  If we didn't have that,
>> there is a default expiration in RONR spanning pages 502-503 of 11th ed.
>>
>> - Alicia
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 6:58 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Folks, I take responsibility for not paying enough attention until now
>>> to notice what I think is a serious problem with the wording of this
>>> motion.  In actuality, the problem I'm going to point to is not fatal for
>>> this particular motion, for reasons I'll discuss below, but I have to point
>>> out that, in principle, I have a concern about it.
>>>
>>> It was previously asked if a motion of this sort creates a chair for
>>> life.  That problem was dealt with here by limiting the life of the
>>> committee.  Presumably, the intent of the motion is that the committee's
>>> real job will be recommending to the LNC a more permanent structure of some
>>> sort to keep this happening, together with a set of things that need to be
>>> done.  So far, so good.
>>>
>>> My objection, and we should be cautious about the precedent being set
>>> here, is the "...to appoint up to 4 others."  When a power is delegated, it
>>> often is lost by the delegating body, unless it is taken from the
>>> committee's hand, which requires a higher vote threshold (unless done
>>> during a partial report or a report has been missed).  A person who is
>>> empowered to appoint up to 4 others is empowered to appoint 0 others as
>>> well.  Thus, such language gives permission for a person to be a committee
>>> unto themselves, even when this is not intended.
>>>
>>> In this case, there are many reasons this isn't a problem.  Most
>>> importantly, there's just no reason to suspect that the person involved
>>> would do such a thing - but this is a poor reason for creating potential
>>> problems.  The committee also is not empowered, and can only make
>>> recommendations - the worst that a dictatorial chair could do would be to
>>> gain some agenda time and the imprimatur of a committee, both of which
>>> could be dealt with.
>>>
>>> So, I don't see this concern as a reason not to vote for this, but I do
>>> want to make a note for future reference that we should avoid this
>>> formulation in places where it could matter.
>>>
>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 7:58 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by January 23, 2017 at
>>>> 11:59:59pm Pacific time.*
>>>> *Co-Sponsors:*  Goldstein, Harlos, Demarest, Bittner
>>>>
>>>> *Motion:*  The LNC establishes a Historic Preservation Committee to
>>>> help preserve and publish historical documents of the party and to manage
>>>> LPedia.  This committee is granted a budget of $5,000.  Caryn Ann Harlos is
>>>> appointed chair with authority to appoint up to 4 others.  This committee
>>>> will expire at the end of the LNC meeting preceding the 2018 LP National
>>>> Convention.
>>>>
>>>> -Alicia
>>>>
>>>>
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> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
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> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
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