[Lnc-business] April LNC meeting location - David's motion
Caryn Ann Harlos
carynannharlos at gmail.com
Mon Jan 16 01:56:56 EST 2017
By contrast, coming from Colorado, tickets are half that cost to say,
Oklahoma City. I am sure Starchild is finding the same as is everyone not
on the east coast.
-Caryn Ann
On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 11:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com
> wrote:
> Well, I can get flights cheaper to Alaska right now then Pittsburgh (yes
> it is a search I did as I am planning on making the Alaska convention if I
> can). I am not a very happy camper. It is not particularly fair to
> committee members that are not on the east coast to have us schelp all the
> way back there. While yes this is what we signed up for, I think some
> courtesy to balance our costs is in order. Two in row in the same vicinity
> is patently *not balanced.*
>
> - Caryn Ann
>
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 11:43 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I think we're still waiting for Nick to respond to the concerns we raised
>> (see thread below).
>>
>> And I realize that I forgot David had offered a motion regarding the
>> meeting. I will co-sponsor, David.
>>
>> Love & Liberty,
>> ((( starchild )))
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> (415) 625-FREE
>> @StarchildSF
>>
>>
>> On Jan 15, 2017, at 10:21 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>
>> So is the decision final for PA? And Pittsburgh? I need to make
>> arrangements with my work which depend on my flight schedule.
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>
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>>
>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 8:33 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>
>> I agree with you David. I would co-sponsor but I have no time to
>> wordsmith unfortunately.
>>
>> The self-funded sacrificial travel costs of over 15 persons (and what
>> affiliates have been neglected) should be considered.
>>
>> Two on the east side is not fair. Perhaps the Region 1 alternate could
>> come this time if we didn't require across the country travel? Alternates
>> closer can attend easily now two meetings giving those regions two voices-
>> due to distance - Region 1 is at a disadvantage.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 9:19 AM David Demarest <dpdemarest at centurylink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have absolutely no concerns about Nick's and Robert's abilities to
>>> make a
>>> wise decision (or recommendation) on the meeting location. I also
>>> understand
>>> the need for a reasonably prompt location decision so we can get on with
>>> travel and lodging arrangements. However, in addition to Starchild's
>>> legitimate transparency concerns on proposal specifics, this top-down
>>> approach makes a mockery of asking LNC members where they would like to
>>> hold
>>> meetings. It suggests that meeting location criteria are driven
>>> primarily by
>>> LNC staff preferences and travel costs paid from the LNC budget rather
>>> than
>>> LNC member preferences and self-funded travel expenses. Further, I
>>> strongly
>>> suspect that some LNC member location suggestions were expediently
>>> ignored
>>> because no 2020/22 convention cost and suitability information had been
>>> gathered for those locations.
>>>
>>> I would add that the essence of Libertarianism is to empower our leaders
>>> to
>>> lead by example rather than the expediency of exercising authority. That
>>> is
>>> not Nick's fault. We LNC members are to blame if we cave in to the
>>> temptation to default our responsibilities to Nick when not appropriate
>>> and
>>> put Nick in a lose-lose dilemma. Nick handles it well but it is unfair to
>>> both Nick and the full complement of LNC members. I would agree that the
>>> meeting location is not a high-priority issue. Nevertheless, it presents
>>> an
>>> excellent opportunity to set an example by empowering LNC members to
>>> select
>>> meeting locations. Or we can call this discussion nitpicking and continue
>>> our top-down failings that fly in the face of our criticisms of the
>>> broken
>>> two-party system.
>>>
>>>
>>> I offer the following motion:
>>>
>>> "Hold a simple LNC email write-in approval vote to narrow down our
>>> personal
>>> meeting location preferences followed by a second simple approval vote on
>>> the top 3 to 5 choices considering the astute finance and logistics
>>> recommendations by Robert and Nick."
>>>
>>> Robert and Nick, thank you for your location research diligence, wise
>>> recommendations and ability to shoulder our defaulted responsibilities.
>>> The
>>> above motion could be simplified to one approval email vote if sufficient
>>> location cost and site suitability details and recommendations were
>>> available. Any interest in co-sponsoring this motion? If so, who would
>>> like
>>> to wordsmith this motion into the proper language? Or, do we want to
>>> move on
>>> to more critical LNC issues and address the meeting location selection
>>> method at a more convenient time?
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>> Region 6 LNC Representative
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Starchild
>>> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 7:52 PM
>>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] April LNC Meeting location
>>>
>>> So what IS the proposal, Nick? May we see the full terms? You
>>> present this as if a decision has already been made. Isn't it up to the
>>> full
>>> LNC to decide where to meet? To be clear, I have no pre-existing
>>> objection
>>> to Pittsburgh or preference for another location. I am simply concerned
>>> about process.
>>>
>>> Has any effort been made to use official communications (email,
>>> direct mail, website, LP News, Facebook, etc.) to let our membership know
>>> that we're looking for free or low-cost venues suitable for an LNC
>>> meeting?
>>>
>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>
>>> ((( starchild )))
>>
>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>> @StarchildSF
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 3:46 PM, Nicholas Sarwark wrote:
>>>
>>> > Dear All,
>>>
>>> > Robert Kraus has done some excellent work getting proposals from
>>> > numerous locations around the country, some that would be suitable for
>>> > a potential 2020/22 convention, others not. Based on a combination of
>>> > overall cost, accessibility, site suitability, and having a meeting
>>> > where we haven't lately, it came down to Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, or
>>> > Oklahoma City.
>>>
>>> > Of the three, Pittsburgh had the best overall proposal, so I intend to
>>> > have Robert negotiate a contract for the April meeting to be held in
>>> > Pittsburgh at the Wyndham Grand Pittsburgh. Indianapolis was overly
>>> > costly on the venue side and Oklahoma City overly costly on the travel
>>> > side.
>>>
>>> > Don't purchase tickets or make reservations until Robert has final
>>> > details. Also, there will likely be a hotel/meeting space tour,
>>> > either on Friday prior to the meeting or on Saturday or Sunday after
>>> > the meeting.
>>>
>>> > Yours in liberty,
>>>
>>> > Nick
>>>
>>
>>
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>
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>
>
>
>
>
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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