[Lnc-business] April LNC meeting location - David's motion
Caryn Ann Harlos
carynannharlos at gmail.com
Mon Jan 16 01:58:12 EST 2017
Same thing for Indianapolis btw.
On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 11:56 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com
> wrote:
> By contrast, coming from Colorado, tickets are half that cost to say,
> Oklahoma City. I am sure Starchild is finding the same as is everyone not
> on the east coast.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 11:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, I can get flights cheaper to Alaska right now then Pittsburgh (yes
>> it is a search I did as I am planning on making the Alaska convention if I
>> can). I am not a very happy camper. It is not particularly fair to
>> committee members that are not on the east coast to have us schelp all the
>> way back there. While yes this is what we signed up for, I think some
>> courtesy to balance our costs is in order. Two in row in the same vicinity
>> is patently *not balanced.*
>>
>> - Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 11:43 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I think we're still waiting for Nick to respond to the concerns we
>>> raised (see thread below).
>>>
>>> And I realize that I forgot David had offered a motion regarding the
>>> meeting. I will co-sponsor, David.
>>>
>>> Love & Liberty,
>>> ((( starchild )))
>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>> @StarchildSF
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 15, 2017, at 10:21 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>
>>> So is the decision final for PA? And Pittsburgh? I need to make
>>> arrangements with my work which depend on my flight schedule.
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 8:33 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree with you David. I would co-sponsor but I have no time to
>>> wordsmith unfortunately.
>>>
>>> The self-funded sacrificial travel costs of over 15 persons (and what
>>> affiliates have been neglected) should be considered.
>>>
>>> Two on the east side is not fair. Perhaps the Region 1 alternate could
>>> come this time if we didn't require across the country travel? Alternates
>>> closer can attend easily now two meetings giving those regions two voices-
>>> due to distance - Region 1 is at a disadvantage.
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 9:19 AM David Demarest <
>>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have absolutely no concerns about Nick's and Robert's abilities to
>>>> make a
>>>> wise decision (or recommendation) on the meeting location. I also
>>>> understand
>>>> the need for a reasonably prompt location decision so we can get on with
>>>> travel and lodging arrangements. However, in addition to Starchild's
>>>> legitimate transparency concerns on proposal specifics, this top-down
>>>> approach makes a mockery of asking LNC members where they would like to
>>>> hold
>>>> meetings. It suggests that meeting location criteria are driven
>>>> primarily by
>>>> LNC staff preferences and travel costs paid from the LNC budget rather
>>>> than
>>>> LNC member preferences and self-funded travel expenses. Further, I
>>>> strongly
>>>> suspect that some LNC member location suggestions were expediently
>>>> ignored
>>>> because no 2020/22 convention cost and suitability information had been
>>>> gathered for those locations.
>>>>
>>>> I would add that the essence of Libertarianism is to empower our
>>>> leaders to
>>>> lead by example rather than the expediency of exercising authority.
>>>> That is
>>>> not Nick's fault. We LNC members are to blame if we cave in to the
>>>> temptation to default our responsibilities to Nick when not appropriate
>>>> and
>>>> put Nick in a lose-lose dilemma. Nick handles it well but it is unfair
>>>> to
>>>> both Nick and the full complement of LNC members. I would agree that the
>>>> meeting location is not a high-priority issue. Nevertheless, it
>>>> presents an
>>>> excellent opportunity to set an example by empowering LNC members to
>>>> select
>>>> meeting locations. Or we can call this discussion nitpicking and
>>>> continue
>>>> our top-down failings that fly in the face of our criticisms of the
>>>> broken
>>>> two-party system.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I offer the following motion:
>>>>
>>>> "Hold a simple LNC email write-in approval vote to narrow down our
>>>> personal
>>>> meeting location preferences followed by a second simple approval vote
>>>> on
>>>> the top 3 to 5 choices considering the astute finance and logistics
>>>> recommendations by Robert and Nick."
>>>>
>>>> Robert and Nick, thank you for your location research diligence, wise
>>>> recommendations and ability to shoulder our defaulted responsibilities.
>>>> The
>>>> above motion could be simplified to one approval email vote if
>>>> sufficient
>>>> location cost and site suitability details and recommendations were
>>>> available. Any interest in co-sponsoring this motion? If so, who would
>>>> like
>>>> to wordsmith this motion into the proper language? Or, do we want to
>>>> move on
>>>> to more critical LNC issues and address the meeting location selection
>>>> method at a more convenient time?
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>> Region 6 LNC Representative
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>
>>>> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf
>>>> Of Starchild
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 7:52 PM
>>>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] April LNC Meeting location
>>>>
>>>> So what IS the proposal, Nick? May we see the full terms? You
>>>> present this as if a decision has already been made. Isn't it up to the
>>>> full
>>>> LNC to decide where to meet? To be clear, I have no pre-existing
>>>> objection
>>>> to Pittsburgh or preference for another location. I am simply concerned
>>>> about process.
>>>>
>>>> Has any effort been made to use official communications (email,
>>>> direct mail, website, LP News, Facebook, etc.) to let our membership
>>>> know
>>>> that we're looking for free or low-cost venues suitable for an LNC
>>>> meeting?
>>>>
>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>
>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>
>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>>> @StarchildSF
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 3:46 PM, Nicholas Sarwark wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Dear All,
>>>>
>>>> > Robert Kraus has done some excellent work getting proposals from
>>>> > numerous locations around the country, some that would be suitable for
>>>> > a potential 2020/22 convention, others not. Based on a combination of
>>>> > overall cost, accessibility, site suitability, and having a meeting
>>>> > where we haven't lately, it came down to Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, or
>>>> > Oklahoma City.
>>>>
>>>> > Of the three, Pittsburgh had the best overall proposal, so I intend to
>>>> > have Robert negotiate a contract for the April meeting to be held in
>>>> > Pittsburgh at the Wyndham Grand Pittsburgh. Indianapolis was overly
>>>> > costly on the venue side and Oklahoma City overly costly on the travel
>>>> > side.
>>>>
>>>> > Don't purchase tickets or make reservations until Robert has final
>>>> > details. Also, there will likely be a hotel/meeting space tour,
>>>> > either on Friday prior to the meeting or on Saturday or Sunday after
>>>> > the meeting.
>>>>
>>>> > Yours in liberty,
>>>>
>>>> > Nick
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>
>
>
>
>
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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