[Lnc-business] April LNC meeting location - David's motion

Mon Jan 16 05:00:29 EST 2017

Dear voluntary self-funded committee members,

We have two offers to co-sponsor.

Who else thinks we could improve the fairness of the location selection procedure and is willing to co-sponsor?

Who has suggestions to simplify the proposed location selection procedure wording?

~David Pratt Demarest

LNC Region 6 Representative

From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Caryn Ann Harlos
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 12:58 AM
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Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] April LNC meeting location - David's motion

Same thing for Indianapolis btw.

On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 11:56 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com <mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com> > wrote:

By contrast, coming from Colorado, tickets are half that cost to say, Oklahoma City.  I am sure Starchild is finding the same as is everyone not on the east coast.

-Caryn Ann

On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 11:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com <mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com> > wrote:

Well, I can get flights cheaper to Alaska right now then Pittsburgh (yes it is a search I did as I am planning on making the Alaska convention if I can).  I am not a very happy camper.  It is not particularly fair to committee members that are not on the east coast to have us schelp all the way back there. While yes this is what we signed up for, I think some courtesy to balance our costs is in order.  Two in row in the same vicinity is patently not balanced.

- Caryn Ann

On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 11:43 PM, Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net <mailto:sfdreamer at earthlink.net> > wrote:

I think we're still waiting for Nick to respond to the concerns we raised (see thread below). 

And I realize that I forgot David had offered a motion regarding the meeting. I will co-sponsor, David.

Love & Liberty,

                                   ((( starchild )))

At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee

                                (415) 625-FREE

                                  @StarchildSF

On Jan 15, 2017, at 10:21 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:

So is the decision final for PA?  And Pittsburgh?  I need to make arrangements with my work which depend on my flight schedule.

-- 

In Liberty,

Caryn Ann Harlos

Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org <mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> 

Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado <http://www.lpcolorado.org/> 

Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/> 

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On Jan 7, 2017, at 8:33 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:

I agree with you David.  I would co-sponsor but I have no time to wordsmith unfortunately.

The self-funded sacrificial travel costs of over 15 persons (and what affiliates have been neglected) should be considered.

Two on the east side is not fair.  Perhaps the Region 1 alternate could come this time if we didn't require across the country travel?  Alternates closer can attend easily now two meetings giving those regions two voices- due to distance - Region 1 is at a disadvantage.

-Caryn Ann

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 9:19 AM David Demarest <dpdemarest at centurylink.net <mailto:dpdemarest at centurylink.net> > wrote:

I have absolutely no concerns about Nick's and Robert's abilities to make a
wise decision (or recommendation) on the meeting location. I also understand
the need for a reasonably prompt location decision so we can get on with
travel and lodging arrangements. However, in addition to Starchild's
legitimate transparency concerns on proposal specifics, this top-down
approach makes a mockery of asking LNC members where they would like to hold
meetings. It suggests that meeting location criteria are driven primarily by
LNC staff preferences and travel costs paid from the LNC budget rather than
LNC member preferences and self-funded travel expenses. Further, I strongly
suspect that some LNC member location suggestions were expediently ignored
because no 2020/22 convention cost and suitability information had been
gathered for those locations.

I would add that the essence of Libertarianism is to empower our leaders to
lead by example rather than the expediency of exercising authority. That is
not Nick's fault. We LNC members are to blame if we cave in to the
temptation to default our responsibilities to Nick when not appropriate and
put Nick in a lose-lose dilemma. Nick handles it well but it is unfair to
both Nick and the full complement of LNC members. I would agree that the
meeting location is not a high-priority issue. Nevertheless, it presents an
excellent opportunity to set an example by empowering LNC members to select
meeting locations. Or we can call this discussion nitpicking and continue
our top-down failings that fly in the face of our criticisms of the broken
two-party system.

I offer the following motion:

"Hold a simple LNC email write-in approval vote to narrow down our personal
meeting location preferences followed by a second simple approval vote on
the top 3 to 5 choices considering the astute finance and logistics
recommendations by Robert and Nick."

Robert and Nick, thank you for your location research diligence, wise
recommendations and ability to shoulder our defaulted responsibilities. The
above motion could be simplified to one approval email vote if sufficient
location cost and site suitability details and recommendations were
available. Any interest in co-sponsoring this motion? If so, who would like
to wordsmith this motion into the proper language? Or, do we want to move on
to more critical LNC issues and address the meeting location selection
method at a more convenient time?

Thoughts?

~David Pratt Demarest
Region 6 LNC Representative

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From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org> ] On Behalf Of Starchild
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 7:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] April LNC Meeting location

        So what IS the proposal, Nick? May we see the full terms? You
present this as if a decision has already been made. Isn't it up to the full
LNC to decide where to meet? To be clear, I have no pre-existing objection
to Pittsburgh or preference for another location. I am simply concerned
about process.

        Has any effort been made to use official communications (email,
direct mail, website, LP News, Facebook, etc.) to let our membership know
that we're looking for free or low-cost venues suitable for an LNC meeting?

Love & Liberty,

                                   ((( starchild )))

At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
                                (415) 625-FREE
                                  @StarchildSF

On Jan 6, 2017, at 3:46 PM, Nicholas Sarwark wrote:

> Dear All,

> Robert Kraus has done some excellent work getting proposals from
> numerous locations around the country, some that would be suitable for
> a potential 2020/22 convention, others not.  Based on a combination of
> overall cost, accessibility, site suitability, and having a meeting
> where we haven't lately, it came down to Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, or
> Oklahoma City.

> Of the three, Pittsburgh had the best overall proposal, so I intend to
> have Robert negotiate a contract for the April meeting to be held in
> Pittsburgh at the Wyndham Grand Pittsburgh.  Indianapolis was overly
> costly on the venue side and Oklahoma City overly costly on the travel
> side.

> Don't purchase tickets or make reservations until Robert has final
> details.  Also, there will likely be a hotel/meeting space tour,
> either on Friday prior to the meeting or on Saturday or Sunday after
> the meeting.

> Yours in liberty,

> Nick

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In Liberty,

Caryn Ann Harlos

Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org <mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> 

Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado <http://www.lpcolorado.org> 

Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org> 

-- 

In Liberty,

Caryn Ann Harlos

Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org <mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> 

Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado <http://www.lpcolorado.org> 

Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org> 

-- 

In Liberty,

Caryn Ann Harlos

Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org <mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> 

Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado <http://www.lpcolorado.org> 

Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org> 

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