[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-03: Cuban Arrests

Caryn Ann Harlos carynannharlos at gmail.com
Wed Feb 15 19:20:26 EST 2017 

Sam, I am not so sure that while there is a state we object to *diplomatic*
pressure.  Diplomatic pressure is peaceful.

I don't want to go Godwin here but I certainly think at a minimum if there
was some huge atrocity going on somewhere we wouldn't say "meh say
nothing."  No the question becomes, as Sam said, who do we believe?  And is
this in our wheelhouse enough to comment.

If we believe the activists (and it doesn't appear to be anything like due
process at all here), and we call for libertarian agitation worldwide, and
it is a peaceful process, I see no reason why we wouldn't resolve this.

I am willing to be convinced either way as well.

-Caryn Ann

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thank you for obtaining this.  Based on this documentation, it seems I'll
> have to choose who to believe - the Cuban authorities are alleging a crime,
> while the arrested deny it.  There is abundant reason to believe the
> activists over the government, but whether or not it is sufficient to make
> public accusations against their government, and call on the US government
> to intervene, I cannot say.  I will think on it a bit more.
>
>
> Joshua A. Katz
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I inquired with LPNV who provided the attached memorandum for our
>> consideration.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 12:35 PM, William Redpath <wredpath2 at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> After reading various emails today, I will also change my vote to
>>> "Abstain," pending further information.  Thanks, Bill Redpath
>>> --------------------------------------------
>>> On Tue, 2/14/17, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-03: Cuban Arrests
>>>  To: "lnc-business at hq.lp.org" <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>>>  Date: Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 2:11 PM
>>>
>>>  If only our
>>>  government's intervention was as benign as ours.
>>>  But I think caution warranted so I
>>>  will inquire more of NV and while I would put my own name to
>>>  it, I am heeding the counsel of my colleagues and change my
>>>  vote to
>>>  Abstain
>>>  Until I see if there is more
>>>  information to commit the organization's voice to
>>>  it.
>>>  - Caryn Ann
>>>
>>>  On Tuesday, February 14, 2017,
>>>  Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
>>>  wrote:
>>>  I am in the "need
>>>  more information crowd" before I go intervening and
>>>  entangling "overseas".
>>>  Daniel HayesLNC At Large
>>>
>>>  Member
>>>
>>>  Sent from my
>>>  iPhone
>>>  On Feb 14, 2017, at 10:44
>>>  AM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  If, in fact, I can verify
>>>  this information, I am mostly in agreement with asking the
>>>  US government to apply political pressure.  My concern on
>>>  that measure has to do with who is running the US
>>>  government.
>>>  Joshua A. Katz
>>>
>>>
>>>  On
>>>  Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>  I agree with Joshua,
>>>  and have tried to locate another source...no luck.  I am
>>>  also not sure about asking the US government to apply
>>>  "political pressure"...
>>>  Whitney
>>>  Bilyeu
>>>  On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at
>>>  10:28 AM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>>>  wrote:
>>>  As I alluded to before this email ballot came out,
>>>  I am having difficulty with this.  According to this
>>>  motion, they were targeted for their activism, and are
>>>  unjustly detained.  I suspect this is true, but I need to
>>>  see evidence of this before I can endorse this party making
>>>  such accusations against a foreign nation.  While nations
>>>  often unjust detain people, it is also true that
>>>  libertarians can, sometimes, commit crimes.  As of this
>>>  moment, I do not even know what charges, if any, have been
>>>  presented, so it is hard for me to say that these charges
>>>  are false or trumped up.
>>>  I previously asked for more
>>>  information, and Mr. O'Toole (thank you) forwarded a
>>>  blog post from Mises.  I have nothing against Mises, and I
>>>  have respect for the Institute, I spent many summers there,
>>>  and the Institute supported me through some difficult times.
>>>   (Full disclosure:  I do strongly disagree with the
>>>  political tact that many associated with Mises have chosen.)
>>>   But a blog post from them simply isn't the kind of
>>>  information I am seeking.  Do we know of any sources that
>>>  can verify that they are being held for their
>>>  activism?
>>>  Joshua A. Katz
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Tue, Feb 14,
>>>  2017 at 3:49 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>  We have an electronic mail
>>>  ballot.
>>>
>>>  Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by
>>>  February 24, 2017 at 11:59:59pm Pacific
>>>  time.
>>>
>>>  Co-Sponsors:  Starchild, Harlos,
>>>  Demarest, Vohra
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Motion:  The Libertarian National
>>>  Committee condemns the unjust detention of libertarian
>>>  activists Ubaldo Herrera Hernandez and Manuel Velasquez by
>>>  agents of the Castro regime in Cuba on February 2, and
>>>  demands the immediate safe release of these political
>>>  prisoners who were targeted for their peaceful activism
>>>  promoting limited government and free markets. We further
>>>  ask the U.S. government's State Department to place
>>>  diplomatic pressure on the Castro regime for their release,
>>>  and encourage Libertarian Party members and supporters to
>>>  contact their elected officials toward that end.
>>>
>>>
>>>  -Alicia
>>>
>>>
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>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
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*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
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