[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-03: Cuban Arrests

Caryn Ann Harlos carynannharlos at gmail.com
Wed Feb 15 19:20:56 EST 2017 

Correction - as Joshua said.

-Caryn Ann

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Sam, I am not so sure that while there is a state we object to
> *diplomatic* pressure.  Diplomatic pressure is peaceful.
>
> I don't want to go Godwin here but I certainly think at a minimum if there
> was some huge atrocity going on somewhere we wouldn't say "meh say
> nothing."  No the question becomes, as Sam said, who do we believe?  And is
> this in our wheelhouse enough to comment.
>
> If we believe the activists (and it doesn't appear to be anything like due
> process at all here), and we call for libertarian agitation worldwide, and
> it is a peaceful process, I see no reason why we wouldn't resolve this.
>
> I am willing to be convinced either way as well.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you for obtaining this.  Based on this documentation, it seems I'll
>> have to choose who to believe - the Cuban authorities are alleging a crime,
>> while the arrested deny it.  There is abundant reason to believe the
>> activists over the government, but whether or not it is sufficient to make
>> public accusations against their government, and call on the US government
>> to intervene, I cannot say.  I will think on it a bit more.
>>
>>
>> Joshua A. Katz
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I inquired with LPNV who provided the attached memorandum for our
>>> consideration.
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 12:35 PM, William Redpath <wredpath2 at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> After reading various emails today, I will also change my vote to
>>>> "Abstain," pending further information.  Thanks, Bill Redpath
>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>> On Tue, 2/14/17, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-03: Cuban Arrests
>>>>  To: "lnc-business at hq.lp.org" <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>>>>  Date: Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 2:11 PM
>>>>
>>>>  If only our
>>>>  government's intervention was as benign as ours.
>>>>  But I think caution warranted so I
>>>>  will inquire more of NV and while I would put my own name to
>>>>  it, I am heeding the counsel of my colleagues and change my
>>>>  vote to
>>>>  Abstain
>>>>  Until I see if there is more
>>>>  information to commit the organization's voice to
>>>>  it.
>>>>  - Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>>  On Tuesday, February 14, 2017,
>>>>  Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>  I am in the "need
>>>>  more information crowd" before I go intervening and
>>>>  entangling "overseas".
>>>>  Daniel HayesLNC At Large
>>>>
>>>>  Member
>>>>
>>>>  Sent from my
>>>>  iPhone
>>>>  On Feb 14, 2017, at 10:44
>>>>  AM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  If, in fact, I can verify
>>>>  this information, I am mostly in agreement with asking the
>>>>  US government to apply political pressure.  My concern on
>>>>  that measure has to do with who is running the US
>>>>  government.
>>>>  Joshua A. Katz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On
>>>>  Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>  I agree with Joshua,
>>>>  and have tried to locate another source...no luck.  I am
>>>>  also not sure about asking the US government to apply
>>>>  "political pressure"...
>>>>  Whitney
>>>>  Bilyeu
>>>>  On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at
>>>>  10:28 AM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>  As I alluded to before this email ballot came out,
>>>>  I am having difficulty with this.  According to this
>>>>  motion, they were targeted for their activism, and are
>>>>  unjustly detained.  I suspect this is true, but I need to
>>>>  see evidence of this before I can endorse this party making
>>>>  such accusations against a foreign nation.  While nations
>>>>  often unjust detain people, it is also true that
>>>>  libertarians can, sometimes, commit crimes.  As of this
>>>>  moment, I do not even know what charges, if any, have been
>>>>  presented, so it is hard for me to say that these charges
>>>>  are false or trumped up.
>>>>  I previously asked for more
>>>>  information, and Mr. O'Toole (thank you) forwarded a
>>>>  blog post from Mises.  I have nothing against Mises, and I
>>>>  have respect for the Institute, I spent many summers there,
>>>>  and the Institute supported me through some difficult times.
>>>>   (Full disclosure:  I do strongly disagree with the
>>>>  political tact that many associated with Mises have chosen.)
>>>>   But a blog post from them simply isn't the kind of
>>>>  information I am seeking.  Do we know of any sources that
>>>>  can verify that they are being held for their
>>>>  activism?
>>>>  Joshua A. Katz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On Tue, Feb 14,
>>>>  2017 at 3:49 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>  We have an electronic mail
>>>>  ballot.
>>>>
>>>>  Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by
>>>>  February 24, 2017 at 11:59:59pm Pacific
>>>>  time.
>>>>
>>>>  Co-Sponsors:  Starchild, Harlos,
>>>>  Demarest, Vohra
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Motion:  The Libertarian National
>>>>  Committee condemns the unjust detention of libertarian
>>>>  activists Ubaldo Herrera Hernandez and Manuel Velasquez by
>>>>  agents of the Castro regime in Cuba on February 2, and
>>>>  demands the immediate safe release of these political
>>>>  prisoners who were targeted for their peaceful activism
>>>>  promoting limited government and free markets. We further
>>>>  ask the U.S. government's State Department to place
>>>>  diplomatic pressure on the Castro regime for their release,
>>>>  and encourage Libertarian Party members and supporters to
>>>>  contact their elected officials toward that end.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  -Alicia
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>  Liberty,Caryn Ann
>>>>  HarlosRegion 1
>>>>  Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
>>>> Colorado,
>>>>  Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>  Harlos at LP.orgCommunications Director, Libertarian Party of
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>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
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> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
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> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
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*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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