[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-03: Cuban Arrests
Joshua Katz
planning4liberty at gmail.com
Wed Feb 15 19:27:07 EST 2017
I suspect, without being sure, that the Sam referenced here is me.
Joshua A. Katz
On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 6:20 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Sam, I am not so sure that while there is a state we object to
> *diplomatic* pressure. Diplomatic pressure is peaceful.
>
> I don't want to go Godwin here but I certainly think at a minimum if there
> was some huge atrocity going on somewhere we wouldn't say "meh say
> nothing." No the question becomes, as Sam said, who do we believe? And is
> this in our wheelhouse enough to comment.
>
> If we believe the activists (and it doesn't appear to be anything like due
> process at all here), and we call for libertarian agitation worldwide, and
> it is a peaceful process, I see no reason why we wouldn't resolve this.
>
> I am willing to be convinced either way as well.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you for obtaining this. Based on this documentation, it seems I'll
>> have to choose who to believe - the Cuban authorities are alleging a crime,
>> while the arrested deny it. There is abundant reason to believe the
>> activists over the government, but whether or not it is sufficient to make
>> public accusations against their government, and call on the US government
>> to intervene, I cannot say. I will think on it a bit more.
>>
>>
>> Joshua A. Katz
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I inquired with LPNV who provided the attached memorandum for our
>>> consideration.
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 12:35 PM, William Redpath <wredpath2 at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> After reading various emails today, I will also change my vote to
>>>> "Abstain," pending further information. Thanks, Bill Redpath
>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>> On Tue, 2/14/17, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-03: Cuban Arrests
>>>> To: "lnc-business at hq.lp.org" <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>>>> Date: Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 2:11 PM
>>>>
>>>> If only our
>>>> government's intervention was as benign as ours.
>>>> But I think caution warranted so I
>>>> will inquire more of NV and while I would put my own name to
>>>> it, I am heeding the counsel of my colleagues and change my
>>>> vote to
>>>> Abstain
>>>> Until I see if there is more
>>>> information to commit the organization's voice to
>>>> it.
>>>> - Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2017,
>>>> Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> I am in the "need
>>>> more information crowd" before I go intervening and
>>>> entangling "overseas".
>>>> Daniel HayesLNC At Large
>>>>
>>>> Member
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my
>>>> iPhone
>>>> On Feb 14, 2017, at 10:44
>>>> AM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If, in fact, I can verify
>>>> this information, I am mostly in agreement with asking the
>>>> US government to apply political pressure. My concern on
>>>> that measure has to do with who is running the US
>>>> government.
>>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On
>>>> Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> I agree with Joshua,
>>>> and have tried to locate another source...no luck. I am
>>>> also not sure about asking the US government to apply
>>>> "political pressure"...
>>>> Whitney
>>>> Bilyeu
>>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at
>>>> 10:28 AM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> As I alluded to before this email ballot came out,
>>>> I am having difficulty with this. According to this
>>>> motion, they were targeted for their activism, and are
>>>> unjustly detained. I suspect this is true, but I need to
>>>> see evidence of this before I can endorse this party making
>>>> such accusations against a foreign nation. While nations
>>>> often unjust detain people, it is also true that
>>>> libertarians can, sometimes, commit crimes. As of this
>>>> moment, I do not even know what charges, if any, have been
>>>> presented, so it is hard for me to say that these charges
>>>> are false or trumped up.
>>>> I previously asked for more
>>>> information, and Mr. O'Toole (thank you) forwarded a
>>>> blog post from Mises. I have nothing against Mises, and I
>>>> have respect for the Institute, I spent many summers there,
>>>> and the Institute supported me through some difficult times.
>>>> (Full disclosure: I do strongly disagree with the
>>>> political tact that many associated with Mises have chosen.)
>>>> But a blog post from them simply isn't the kind of
>>>> information I am seeking. Do we know of any sources that
>>>> can verify that they are being held for their
>>>> activism?
>>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 14,
>>>> 2017 at 3:49 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> We have an electronic mail
>>>> ballot.
>>>>
>>>> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by
>>>> February 24, 2017 at 11:59:59pm Pacific
>>>> time.
>>>>
>>>> Co-Sponsors: Starchild, Harlos,
>>>> Demarest, Vohra
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Motion: The Libertarian National
>>>> Committee condemns the unjust detention of libertarian
>>>> activists Ubaldo Herrera Hernandez and Manuel Velasquez by
>>>> agents of the Castro regime in Cuba on February 2, and
>>>> demands the immediate safe release of these political
>>>> prisoners who were targeted for their peaceful activism
>>>> promoting limited government and free markets. We further
>>>> ask the U.S. government's State Department to place
>>>> diplomatic pressure on the Castro regime for their release,
>>>> and encourage Libertarian Party members and supporters to
>>>> contact their elected officials toward that end.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Alicia
>>>>
>>>>
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