[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-03: Cuban Arrests

Joshua Katz planning4liberty at gmail.com
Wed Feb 15 19:27:20 EST 2017 

Lol

Joshua A. Katz


On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 6:27 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I suspect, without being sure, that the Sam referenced here is me.
>
> Joshua A. Katz
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 6:20 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sam, I am not so sure that while there is a state we object to
>> *diplomatic* pressure.  Diplomatic pressure is peaceful.
>>
>> I don't want to go Godwin here but I certainly think at a minimum if
>> there was some huge atrocity going on somewhere we wouldn't say "meh say
>> nothing."  No the question becomes, as Sam said, who do we believe?  And is
>> this in our wheelhouse enough to comment.
>>
>> If we believe the activists (and it doesn't appear to be anything like
>> due process at all here), and we call for libertarian agitation worldwide,
>> and it is a peaceful process, I see no reason why we wouldn't resolve this.
>>
>> I am willing to be convinced either way as well.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for obtaining this.  Based on this documentation, it seems
>>> I'll have to choose who to believe - the Cuban authorities are alleging a
>>> crime, while the arrested deny it.  There is abundant reason to believe the
>>> activists over the government, but whether or not it is sufficient to make
>>> public accusations against their government, and call on the US government
>>> to intervene, I cannot say.  I will think on it a bit more.
>>>
>>>
>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I inquired with LPNV who provided the attached memorandum for our
>>>> consideration.
>>>>
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 12:35 PM, William Redpath <wredpath2 at yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> After reading various emails today, I will also change my vote to
>>>>> "Abstain," pending further information.  Thanks, Bill Redpath
>>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>>> On Tue, 2/14/17, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-03: Cuban Arrests
>>>>>  To: "lnc-business at hq.lp.org" <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>>>>>  Date: Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 2:11 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>  If only our
>>>>>  government's intervention was as benign as ours.
>>>>>  But I think caution warranted so I
>>>>>  will inquire more of NV and while I would put my own name to
>>>>>  it, I am heeding the counsel of my colleagues and change my
>>>>>  vote to
>>>>>  Abstain
>>>>>  Until I see if there is more
>>>>>  information to commit the organization's voice to
>>>>>  it.
>>>>>  - Caryn Ann
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Tuesday, February 14, 2017,
>>>>>  Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>  I am in the "need
>>>>>  more information crowd" before I go intervening and
>>>>>  entangling "overseas".
>>>>>  Daniel HayesLNC At Large
>>>>>
>>>>>  Member
>>>>>
>>>>>  Sent from my
>>>>>  iPhone
>>>>>  On Feb 14, 2017, at 10:44
>>>>>  AM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  If, in fact, I can verify
>>>>>  this information, I am mostly in agreement with asking the
>>>>>  US government to apply political pressure.  My concern on
>>>>>  that measure has to do with who is running the US
>>>>>  government.
>>>>>  Joshua A. Katz
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  On
>>>>>  Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>  I agree with Joshua,
>>>>>  and have tried to locate another source...no luck.  I am
>>>>>  also not sure about asking the US government to apply
>>>>>  "political pressure"...
>>>>>  Whitney
>>>>>  Bilyeu
>>>>>  On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at
>>>>>  10:28 AM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>  As I alluded to before this email ballot came out,
>>>>>  I am having difficulty with this.  According to this
>>>>>  motion, they were targeted for their activism, and are
>>>>>  unjustly detained.  I suspect this is true, but I need to
>>>>>  see evidence of this before I can endorse this party making
>>>>>  such accusations against a foreign nation.  While nations
>>>>>  often unjust detain people, it is also true that
>>>>>  libertarians can, sometimes, commit crimes.  As of this
>>>>>  moment, I do not even know what charges, if any, have been
>>>>>  presented, so it is hard for me to say that these charges
>>>>>  are false or trumped up.
>>>>>  I previously asked for more
>>>>>  information, and Mr. O'Toole (thank you) forwarded a
>>>>>  blog post from Mises.  I have nothing against Mises, and I
>>>>>  have respect for the Institute, I spent many summers there,
>>>>>  and the Institute supported me through some difficult times.
>>>>>   (Full disclosure:  I do strongly disagree with the
>>>>>  political tact that many associated with Mises have chosen.)
>>>>>   But a blog post from them simply isn't the kind of
>>>>>  information I am seeking.  Do we know of any sources that
>>>>>  can verify that they are being held for their
>>>>>  activism?
>>>>>  Joshua A. Katz
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Tue, Feb 14,
>>>>>  2017 at 3:49 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>  We have an electronic mail
>>>>>  ballot.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by
>>>>>  February 24, 2017 at 11:59:59pm Pacific
>>>>>  time.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Co-Sponsors:  Starchild, Harlos,
>>>>>  Demarest, Vohra
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Motion:  The Libertarian National
>>>>>  Committee condemns the unjust detention of libertarian
>>>>>  activists Ubaldo Herrera Hernandez and Manuel Velasquez by
>>>>>  agents of the Castro regime in Cuba on February 2, and
>>>>>  demands the immediate safe release of these political
>>>>>  prisoners who were targeted for their peaceful activism
>>>>>  promoting limited government and free markets. We further
>>>>>  ask the U.S. government's State Department to place
>>>>>  diplomatic pressure on the Castro regime for their release,
>>>>>  and encourage Libertarian Party members and supporters to
>>>>>  contact their elected officials toward that end.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  -Alicia
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>  In
>>>>>  Liberty,Caryn Ann
>>>>>  HarlosRegion 1
>>>>>  Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
>>>>> Colorado,
>>>>>  Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>  Harlos at LP.orgCommunications Director, Libertarian Party of
>>>>>  ColoradoColorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party
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>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
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>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
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>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
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