[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-03: Cuban Arrests

Caryn Ann Harlos carynannharlos at gmail.com
Wed Feb 15 19:36:15 EST 2017 

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-Caryn Ann

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 5:28 PM Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Lol
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> Joshua A. Katz
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> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 6:27 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
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> I suspect, without being sure, that the Sam referenced here is me.
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> Joshua A. Katz
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> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 6:20 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Sam, I am not so sure that while there is a state we object to
> *diplomatic* pressure.  Diplomatic pressure is peaceful.
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> I don't want to go Godwin here but I certainly think at a minimum if there
> was some huge atrocity going on somewhere we wouldn't say "meh say
> nothing."  No the question becomes, as Sam said, who do we believe?  And is
> this in our wheelhouse enough to comment.
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> If we believe the activists (and it doesn't appear to be anything like due
> process at all here), and we call for libertarian agitation worldwide, and
> it is a peaceful process, I see no reason why we wouldn't resolve this.
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> I am willing to be convinced either way as well.
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> -Caryn Ann
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> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Thank you for obtaining this.  Based on this documentation, it seems I'll
> have to choose who to believe - the Cuban authorities are alleging a crime,
> while the arrested deny it.  There is abundant reason to believe the
> activists over the government, but whether or not it is sufficient to make
> public accusations against their government, and call on the US government
> to intervene, I cannot say.  I will think on it a bit more.
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> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
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> I inquired with LPNV who provided the attached memorandum for our
> consideration.
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> -Caryn Ann
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> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 12:35 PM, William Redpath <wredpath2 at yahoo.com>
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> After reading various emails today, I will also change my vote to
> "Abstain," pending further information.  Thanks, Bill Redpath
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> On Tue, 2/14/17, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
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>  Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-03: Cuban Arrests
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>  To: "lnc-business at hq.lp.org" <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
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>  Date: Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 2:11 PM
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>  If only our
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>  government's intervention was as benign as ours.
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>  But I think caution warranted so I
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>  will inquire more of NV and while I would put my own name to
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>  it, I am heeding the counsel of my colleagues and change my
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>  Abstain
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>  Until I see if there is more
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>  information to commit the organization's voice to
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>  it.
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>  - Caryn Ann
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>  On Tuesday, February 14, 2017,
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>  Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
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>  I am in the "need
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>  more information crowd" before I go intervening and
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>  entangling "overseas".
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>  Daniel HayesLNC At Large
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>  On Feb 14, 2017, at 10:44
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>  AM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
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>  If, in fact, I can verify
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>  this information, I am mostly in agreement with asking the
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>  US government to apply political pressure.  My concern on
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>  that measure has to do with who is running the US
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>  government.
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>  Joshua A. Katz
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>  Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76 at gmail.com>
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>  I agree with Joshua,
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>  and have tried to locate another source...no luck.  I am
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>  also not sure about asking the US government to apply
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>  "political pressure"...
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>  Whitney
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>  Bilyeu
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>  On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at
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>  10:28 AM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
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>  As I alluded to before this email ballot came out,
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>  I am having difficulty with this.  According to this
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>  motion, they were targeted for their activism, and are
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>  unjustly detained.  I suspect this is true, but I need to
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>  see evidence of this before I can endorse this party making
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>  such accusations against a foreign nation.  While nations
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>  often unjust detain people, it is also true that
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>  libertarians can, sometimes, commit crimes.  As of this
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>  moment, I do not even know what charges, if any, have been
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>  presented, so it is hard for me to say that these charges
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>  are false or trumped up.
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>  I previously asked for more
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>  information, and Mr. O'Toole (thank you) forwarded a
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>  blog post from Mises.  I have nothing against Mises, and I
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>  have respect for the Institute, I spent many summers there,
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>  and the Institute supported me through some difficult times.
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>  political tact that many associated with Mises have chosen.)
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>   But a blog post from them simply isn't the kind of
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>  information I am seeking.  Do we know of any sources that
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>  can verify that they are being held for their
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>  activism?
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>  Joshua A. Katz
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>  On Tue, Feb 14,
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>  2017 at 3:49 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:
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>  We have an electronic mail
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>  ballot.
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>  Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by
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>  February 24, 2017 at 11:59:59pm Pacific
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>  time.
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>  Co-Sponsors:  Starchild, Harlos,
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>  Demarest, Vohra
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>  Motion:  The Libertarian National
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>  Committee condemns the unjust detention of libertarian
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>  activists Ubaldo Herrera Hernandez and Manuel Velasquez by
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>  agents of the Castro regime in Cuba on February 2, and
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>  demands the immediate safe release of these political
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>  prisoners who were targeted for their peaceful activism
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>  promoting limited government and free markets. We further
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>  ask the U.S. government's State Department to place
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>  diplomatic pressure on the Castro regime for their release,
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>  and encourage Libertarian Party members and supporters to
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>  contact their elected officials toward that end.
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>  -Alicia
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