[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-03: Cuban Arrests

Fri Feb 24 08:50:53 EST 2017

Caryn Ann, thank you for your well thought out vote based on principle. It puzzles me when Libertarians let bureaucratic timidity get in the way of a spirited vocal moral defense of Libertarian activists. These two dissidents have obviously been illegally detained with lack of due process by a gang of statist thugs with a long history of human rights abuses propped up by “ends justify the means” propaganda smoke screens. Our government, dysfunctional as it may be, should certainly be putting pressure on the Cuban government to release these two Libertarians.

I fail to understand how bureaucratic obfuscation furthers our Libertarian agenda and who personally benefits from it. This motion presents a simple fundamental moral choice. It is not rocket science that requires an extended ethical and policy debate delaying tactic. It strikes me as a carefully crafted no-brainer statement of principle and outrage that deserves an equally well-articulated response by individual LNC voting members rather than muddying the waters with timid bureaucratic obfuscation. Libertarianism is not for the intellectual and ethical faint of heart. It is time for individual Libertarians and LNC members to break away from the pack and speak out boldly on our principles instead of fearfully hiding behind institutional skirts.

Thoughts?

~David

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From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Caryn Ann Harlos
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-03: Cuban Arrests

I change my abstain vote back to yes.  Having read the information I believe this is a right stand.  Asking for diplomatic intervention is not against our principles.  There is no evidence of violent wrongdoing and when people are arrested by the state we should expect some - and this in a country with a government that has a history of human rights abuses.  For us to get squeamish about standing up for human rights is not just.  IF they have done something wrong, let it be exposed in the light of day - not this night time spiriting away and lack of process and open information.

- Caryn Ann

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76 at gmail.com <mailto:whitneycb76 at gmail.com> > wrote:

I vote NO.

Whitney Bilyeu

LNC Region 7 Representative

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com <mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com> > wrote:

I am leaning yes but need to sit back and spend some thought time.

-Caryn Ann 

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 12:15 PM Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com <mailto:goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com> > wrote:

No on this ballot.

Sam Goldstein

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On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Patrick McKnight <patrick.joseph.mcknight at gmail.com <mailto:patrick.joseph.mcknight at gmail.com> > wrote:

I abstain.

Patrick McKnight

Region 8 Rep

On Feb 23, 2017 12:11 PM, "Daniel Hayes" <danielehayes at icloud.com <mailto:danielehayes at icloud.com> > wrote:

NO is my vote on this email ballot.

I must go with my other uncertain colleagues on this.

Daniel Hayes
LNC At Large Member

On Feb 23, 2017, at 08:10 AM, Brett Bittner <brett.bittner at lp.org <mailto:brett.bittner at lp.org> > wrote:

I vote no on this email ballot. 

I hold many of the same reservations as Mr. Katz, and I'm still unclear of all the facts here. 

Brett C. Bittner 

Region 3 Representative 

Libertarian National Committee 

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On Feb 23, 2017 10:20, "Joshua Katz" <planning4liberty at gmail.com <mailto:planning4liberty at gmail.com> > wrote:

No.

I would vote for a version that made less accusations ,and demanded (and called on the State Department to help procure) information about the arrests.  I will offer such a version, should this one fail.  

Joshua A. Katz

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 3:49 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com <mailto:agmattson at gmail.com> > wrote:

We have an electronic mail ballot.

Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by February 24, 2017 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.

Co-Sponsors:  Starchild, Harlos, Demarest, Vohra

Motion:  The Libertarian National Committee condemns the unjust detention of libertarian activists Ubaldo Herrera Hernandez and Manuel Velasquez by agents of the Castro regime in Cuba on February 2, and demands the immediate safe release of these political prisoners who were targeted for their peaceful activism promoting limited government and free markets. We further ask the U.S. government's State Department to place diplomatic pressure on the Castro regime for their release, and encourage Libertarian Party members and supporters to contact their elected officials toward that end. 

-Alicia

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In Liberty,

Caryn Ann Harlos

Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org <mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org> 

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