[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-03: Cuban Arrests

Fri Feb 24 08:54:52 EST 2017

I agree with you David and urge my colleagues to reconsider their vote and
Mr. Redpath to follow my lead (which was initially cautious) to change from
abstain to yes.

-Caryn Ann

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 6:52 AM David Demarest <dpdemarest at centurylink.net>
wrote:

> Caryn Ann, thank you for your well thought out vote based on principle. It
> puzzles me when Libertarians let bureaucratic timidity get in the way of a
> spirited vocal moral defense of Libertarian activists. These two dissidents
> have obviously been illegally detained with lack of due process by a gang
> of statist thugs with a long history of human rights abuses propped up by
> “ends justify the means” propaganda smoke screens. Our government,
> dysfunctional as it may be, should certainly be putting pressure on the
> Cuban government to release these two Libertarians.
>
>
>
> I fail to understand how bureaucratic obfuscation furthers our Libertarian
> agenda and who personally benefits from it. This motion presents a simple
> fundamental moral choice. It is not rocket science that requires an
> extended ethical and policy debate delaying tactic. It strikes me as a
> carefully crafted no-brainer statement of principle and outrage that
> deserves an equally well-articulated response by individual LNC voting
> members rather than muddying the waters with timid bureaucratic
> obfuscation. Libertarianism is not for the intellectual and ethical faint
> of heart. It is time for individual Libertarians and LNC members to break
> away from the pack and speak out boldly on our principles instead of
> fearfully hiding behind institutional skirts.
>
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> ~David
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> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:18 PM
> *To:* Libertarian National Committee list <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-03: Cuban Arrests
>
>
>
> I change my abstain vote back to yes.  Having read the information I
> believe this is a right stand.  Asking for diplomatic intervention is not
> against our principles.  There is no evidence of violent wrongdoing and
> when people are arrested by the state we should expect some - and this in a
> country with a government that has a history of human rights abuses.  For
> us to get squeamish about standing up for human rights is not just.  IF
> they have done something wrong, let it be exposed in the light of day - not
> this night time spiriting away and lack of process and open information.
>
>
>
> - Caryn Ann
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> I vote NO.
>
>
>
> Whitney Bilyeu
>
> LNC Region 7 Representative
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> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am leaning yes but need to sit back and spend some thought time.
>
>
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 12:15 PM Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> No on this ballot.
>
>
>
>
> Sam Goldstein
>
> Libertarian National Committee
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> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Patrick McKnight <
> patrick.joseph.mcknight at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I abstain.
>
>
>
> Patrick McKnight
>
> Region 8 Rep
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> On Feb 23, 2017 12:11 PM, "Daniel Hayes" <danielehayes at icloud.com> wrote:
>
> NO is my vote on this email ballot.
>
> I must go with my other uncertain colleagues on this.
>
> Daniel Hayes
> LNC At Large Member
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>
> On Feb 23, 2017, at 08:10 AM, Brett Bittner <brett.bittner at lp.org> wrote:
>
> I vote no on this email ballot.
>
>
>
> I hold many of the same reservations as Mr. Katz, and I'm still unclear of
> all the facts here.
>
>
>
> Brett C. Bittner
>
>
>
> Region 3 Representative
>
> Libertarian National Committee
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> brett.bittner at lp.org
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> 317.537.8344 <(317)%20537-8344>
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>
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> **This message sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos.
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>
> On Feb 23, 2017 10:20, "Joshua Katz" <planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> No.
>
>
>
> I would vote for a version that made less accusations ,and demanded (and
> called on the State Department to help procure) information about the
> arrests.  I will offer such a version, should this one fail.
>
>
> Joshua A. Katz
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 3:49 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> We have an electronic mail ballot.
>
>
>
> *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by February 24, 2017 at 11:59:59pm
> Pacific time.*
> *Co-Sponsors:*  Starchild, Harlos, Demarest, Vohra
>
> *Motion:*  The Libertarian National Committee condemns the unjust
> detention of libertarian activists Ubaldo Herrera Hernandez and Manuel
> Velasquez by agents of the Castro regime in Cuba on February 2, and demands
> the immediate safe release of these political prisoners who were targeted
> for their peaceful activism promoting limited government and free markets.
> We further ask the U.S. government's State Department to place diplomatic
> pressure on the Castro regime for their release, and encourage Libertarian
> Party members and supporters to contact their elected officials toward that
> end.
>
> -Alicia
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> *In Liberty,*
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> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
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> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
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