[Lnc-business] Cuban Prisoner Resolution - Take 2- request for co-sponsors

Tue Feb 28 13:03:21 EST 2017

'Shock' and 'concern' are not words I want to use - subjective, emotional...

When I vote on a resolution, I cannot merely consider the spirit of the
message.  I consider the depth of the language, the meaning behind each
word, possible interpretations, pitfalls, and potential fallout.  I never
want to publish something that winds up being a waste of words or that
requires retraction.

I also have to consider whether or not the statement sounds like something
I would say, or something I could justify ever saying...I admit I struggle
to adopt the words of others as my own....which is basically what we are
being asked to do when we vote on resolutions.

Whitney Bilyeu

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I think the fourth sentence has an extra "that" that doesn't belong.
>
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> Tim Hagan
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> On Monday, February 27, 2017, 9:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The agreed to change is as follows:
>
> I took Joshua's new resolution to the author of the Nevada resolution for
> input.  He suggested some changes and agreed that the last paragraph should
> not be a part (in his non-LNC opinion).  IF this passes, specific direction
> we can give to the staff can be part of a separate motion (and one that
> does not require 3/4 btw).
>
> I would like to offer this as a new resolution and ask for co-sponsors:
>
> *The Libertarian National Committee expresses shock and concern for the
> detention of libertarian activists Ubaldo Herrera Hernandez and Manuel
> Velasquez by agents of the Castro regime in Cuba on February 2, whose
> unexplained detention raises suspicions that these political prisoners were
> targeted for their peaceful activism promoting limited government and free
> markets. **The two men are believed to be political prisoners imprisoned
> in the infamous Melena II facility, known for appalling living and working
> conditions. * *We further ask for an inquiry and response from** the
> Castro regime for information related to their detention, an accurate and
> complete register of charges, and and for assurances that they will receive
> fair and open trials on any legitimate charges.  We further ask that the
> Cuban government for their immediate release should such information and
> assurances not be forthcoming. We encourage Libertarian Party members and
> supporters to contact their elected officials toward that end, and further
> ask that the International Alliance of Libertarian Parties join us in
> applying diplomatic pressure for the Castro regime to release information
> related to their detention and call upon the national and international
> media to join us in these efforts.*
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 10:52 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Starchild or anyone else, will you co-sponsor this amended resolution?
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 6:20 PM, David Demarest <
> dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks Tim. I have no objection to the change you suggested.
>
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
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>
> ~David
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> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at h q.lp.org
> <lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org>] *On Behalf Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:45 PM
> *To:* Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com>; Libertarian National Committee
> list <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
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> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Cuban Prisoner Resolution - Take 2- request
> for co-sponsors
>
>
>
> I have no objection - Joshua and David???
>
>
>
> Tim will you co-sponsor with that change?
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> Because e-mail ballots have no provision for amendment, I ask the sponsors
> to modify the resolution before it goes to a vote by spelling out instead
> of using the acronym IALP, so readers won't think the LNC is making a
> request to the International Association of Logopedics and Phoniatrics.
>
>
>
> Tim Hagan
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:34 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Cuban Prisoner Resolution - Take 2- request
> for co-sponsors
>
>
>
> I voted no because it made, in my view, unfounded accusations against a
> foreign government, and because it contained no action other than 'calling
> up' and 'demanding.'  I suspect others may have voted no for the same
> reasons I did.  This alternative, in my mind, addresses the first concern,
> and at least contains some hints about the second.  I can't say I'm
> terribly enthusiastic, but since email ballots have no provision for
> amendment, I don't think it's unreasonable for a second motion to try to
> address concerns of those who voted no on the first.
>
>
> Joshua A. Katz
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Sam Goldstein <
> goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Did the first motion fail?  Why are we wasting more time on this.
>
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2017 1:19 PM, "Joshua Katz" <planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I will cosponsor.  I fail, however, to understand the following clause:
>
>
>
> *We further ask for an inquiry and response from the Castro regime for
> information related to their detention,*
>
>
>
> Are we asking the Cuban government, which is holding the people, to look
> into it?  Wouldn't they, presumably, already know the answer?  It's fully
> possible that I'm missing something, though.
>
>
> Joshua A. Katz
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I took Joshua's new resolution to the author of the Nevada resolution for
> input.  He suggested some changes and agreed that the last paragraph should
> not be a part (in his non-LNC opinion).  IF this passes, specific direction
> we can give to the staff can be part of a separate motion (and one that
> does not require 3/4 btw).
>
>
>
> I would like to offer this as a new resolution and ask for co-sponsors:
>
>
>
> *The Libertarian National Committee expresses shock and concern for the
> detention of libertarian activists Ubaldo Herrera Hernandez and Manuel
> Velasquez by agents of the Castro regime in Cuba on February 2, whose
> unexplained detention raises suspicions that these political prisoners were
> targeted for their peaceful activism promoting limited government and free
> markets. The two men are believed to be political prisoners imprisoned in
> the infamous Melena II facility, known for appalling living and working
> conditions. * *We further ask for an inquiry and response from the Castro
> regime for information related to their detention, an accurate and complete
> register of charges, and and for assurances that they will receive fair and
> open trials on any legitimate charges.  We further ask that the Cuban
> government for their immediate release should such information and
> assurances not be forthcoming. We encourage Libertarian Party members and
> supporters to contact their elected officials toward that end, and further
> ask that the IALP join us in applying diplomatic pressure for the Castro
> regime to release information related to their detention and call upon the
> national and international media to join us in these efforts.*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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