[Lnc-business] Cuban Prisoner Resolution - Take 2- request for co-sponsors

Tue Feb 28 13:45:17 EST 2017

Part of our problem in Party image is that we don't use strong emotion
enough.  Emotion is human and connects to people.  Our lack of it leads to
the perjorative cartoon of Libertarians as having political autism.

When people are seized and thrown into a Cuban gulag - particularly our
ideological brethren - in violation of basic principles - shock and concern
is a mild form of what I would say.

What I personally would say would be NSFW.

--Caryn Ann

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 11:04 AM Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76 at gmail.com>
wrote:

'Shock' and 'concern' are not words I want to use - subjective, emotional...

When I vote on a resolution, I cannot merely consider the spirit of the
message.  I consider the depth of the language, the meaning behind each
word, possible interpretations, pitfalls, and potential fallout.  I never
want to publish something that winds up being a waste of words or that
requires retraction.

I also have to consider whether or not the statement sounds like something
I would say, or something I could justify ever saying...I admit I struggle
to adopt the words of others as my own....which is basically what we are
being asked to do when we vote on resolutions.

Whitney Bilyeu

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com> wrote:

I think the fourth sentence has an extra "that" that doesn't belong.

Tim Hagan
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On Monday, February 27, 2017, 9:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:

The agreed to change is as follows:

I took Joshua's new resolution to the author of the Nevada resolution for
input.  He suggested some changes and agreed that the last paragraph should
not be a part (in his non-LNC opinion).  IF this passes, specific direction
we can give to the staff can be part of a separate motion (and one that
does not require 3/4 btw).

I would like to offer this as a new resolution and ask for co-sponsors:

*The Libertarian National Committee expresses shock and concern for the
detention of libertarian activists Ubaldo Herrera Hernandez and Manuel
Velasquez by agents of the Castro regime in Cuba on February 2, whose
unexplained detention raises suspicions that these political prisoners were
targeted for their peaceful activism promoting limited government and free
markets. **The two men are believed to be political prisoners imprisoned in
the infamous Melena II facility, known for appalling living and working
conditions. * *We further ask for an inquiry and response from** the Castro
regime for information related to their detention, an accurate and complete
register of charges, and and for assurances that they will receive fair and
open trials on any legitimate charges.  We further ask that the Cuban
government for their immediate release should such information and
assurances not be forthcoming. We encourage Libertarian Party members and
supporters to contact their elected officials toward that end, and further
ask that the International Alliance of Libertarian Parties join us in
applying diplomatic pressure for the Castro regime to release information
related to their detention and call upon the national and international
media to join us in these efforts.*

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 10:52 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com
> wrote:

Starchild or anyone else, will you co-sponsor this amended resolution?

-Caryn Ann

On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 6:20 PM, David Demarest <dpdemarest at centurylink.net>
wrote:

Thanks Tim. I have no objection to the change you suggested.

Thoughts?

~David

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*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at h q.lp.org
<lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org>] *On Behalf Of *Caryn Ann Harlos

*Sent:* Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:45 PM
*To:* Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com>; Libertarian National Committee
list <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>

*Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Cuban Prisoner Resolution - Take 2- request
for co-sponsors

I have no objection - Joshua and David???

Tim will you co-sponsor with that change?

On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com> wrote:

Because e-mail ballots have no provision for amendment, I ask the sponsors
to modify the resolution before it goes to a vote by spelling out instead
of using the acronym IALP, so readers won't think the LNC is making a
request to the International Association of Logopedics and Phoniatrics.

Tim Hagan

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*From:* Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
*To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
*Sent:* Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:34 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Cuban Prisoner Resolution - Take 2- request
for co-sponsors

I voted no because it made, in my view, unfounded accusations against a
foreign government, and because it contained no action other than 'calling
up' and 'demanding.'  I suspect others may have voted no for the same
reasons I did.  This alternative, in my mind, addresses the first concern,
and at least contains some hints about the second.  I can't say I'm
terribly enthusiastic, but since email ballots have no provision for
amendment, I don't think it's unreasonable for a second motion to try to
address concerns of those who voted no on the first.

Joshua A. Katz

On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>
wrote:

Did the first motion fail?  Why are we wasting more time on this.

On Feb 26, 2017 1:19 PM, "Joshua Katz" <planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:

I will cosponsor.  I fail, however, to understand the following clause:

*We further ask for an inquiry and response from the Castro regime for
information related to their detention,*

Are we asking the Cuban government, which is holding the people, to look
into it?  Wouldn't they, presumably, already know the answer?  It's fully
possible that I'm missing something, though.

Joshua A. Katz

On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
wrote:

I took Joshua's new resolution to the author of the Nevada resolution for
input.  He suggested some changes and agreed that the last paragraph should
not be a part (in his non-LNC opinion).  IF this passes, specific direction
we can give to the staff can be part of a separate motion (and one that
does not require 3/4 btw).

I would like to offer this as a new resolution and ask for co-sponsors:

*The Libertarian National Committee expresses shock and concern for the
detention of libertarian activists Ubaldo Herrera Hernandez and Manuel
Velasquez by agents of the Castro regime in Cuba on February 2, whose
unexplained detention raises suspicions that these political prisoners were
targeted for their peaceful activism promoting limited government and free
markets. The two men are believed to be political prisoners imprisoned in
the infamous Melena II facility, known for appalling living and working
conditions. * *We further ask for an inquiry and response from the Castro
regime for information related to their detention, an accurate and complete
register of charges, and and for assurances that they will receive fair and
open trials on any legitimate charges.  We further ask that the Cuban
government for their immediate release should such information and
assurances not be forthcoming. We encourage Libertarian Party members and
supporters to contact their elected officials toward that end, and further
ask that the IALP join us in applying diplomatic pressure for the Castro
regime to release information related to their detention and call upon the
national and international media to join us in these efforts.*

-- 

*In Liberty,*

*Caryn Ann Harlos*

Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>

Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org/>

Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>

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Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
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*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
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