[Lnc-business] Cuban Prisoner Resolution - Take 2- request for co-sponsors

Tue Feb 28 14:29:43 EST 2017

I agree with the shock and concern as part of a press release, public
statement, immediate reaction, informal comment, etc...and I don't think
such a response should be downplayed at all.

However, as a standing formal resolution, I just prefer something less
dramatic.

And....I totally agree with your very last statement...a great deal of what
I want to say about many things is NSFW!!!

It is true that we (LP) could do better at having/showing feelings ;).

However, I, personally, find emotionally charged statements off-putting as
an initial engagement piece.

I guess I hope that an even-tempered, objective statement opens the door to
the more emotional discussions that need to occur...

'Strongly opposed to...' has more meaning/bite than 'angry about...' or
'abhor...' (examples) to a left-brainer, like myself, at least :/.

I prefer to use:
oppose
resist
reject
etc...
(imply action is to be taken, or would be taken)

I will probably reject the use of:
am angry about
am shocked by
am saddened over
etc...
(mere feelings without action, passive-aggressive implications)

I will consider:
regret
etc...

For the record, I don't wholly reject emotion or emotional language when it
comes to making political statements...and I concede that there are gray
areas.

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Part of our problem in Party image is that we don't use strong emotion
> enough.  Emotion is human and connects to people.  Our lack of it leads to
> the perjorative cartoon of Libertarians as having political autism.
>
> When people are seized and thrown into a Cuban gulag - particularly our
> ideological brethren - in violation of basic principles - shock and concern
> is a mild form of what I would say.
>
> What I personally would say would be NSFW.
>
> --Caryn Ann
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 11:04 AM Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> 'Shock' and 'concern' are not words I want to use - subjective,
> emotional...
>
> When I vote on a resolution, I cannot merely consider the spirit of the
> message.  I consider the depth of the language, the meaning behind each
> word, possible interpretations, pitfalls, and potential fallout.  I never
> want to publish something that winds up being a waste of words or that
> requires retraction.
>
> I also have to consider whether or not the statement sounds like something
> I would say, or something I could justify ever saying...I admit I struggle
> to adopt the words of others as my own....which is basically what we are
> being asked to do when we vote on resolutions.
>
> Whitney Bilyeu
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I think the fourth sentence has an extra "that" that doesn't belong.
>
>
> Tim Hagan
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> On Monday, February 27, 2017, 9:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The agreed to change is as follows:
>
> I took Joshua's new resolution to the author of the Nevada resolution for
> input.  He suggested some changes and agreed that the last paragraph should
> not be a part (in his non-LNC opinion).  IF this passes, specific direction
> we can give to the staff can be part of a separate motion (and one that
> does not require 3/4 btw).
>
> I would like to offer this as a new resolution and ask for co-sponsors:
>
> *The Libertarian National Committee expresses shock and concern for the
> detention of libertarian activists Ubaldo Herrera Hernandez and Manuel
> Velasquez by agents of the Castro regime in Cuba on February 2, whose
> unexplained detention raises suspicions that these political prisoners were
> targeted for their peaceful activism promoting limited government and free
> markets. **The two men are believed to be political prisoners imprisoned
> in the infamous Melena II facility, known for appalling living and working
> conditions. * *We further ask for an inquiry and response from** the
> Castro regime for information related to their detention, an accurate and
> complete register of charges, and and for assurances that they will receive
> fair and open trials on any legitimate charges.  We further ask that the
> Cuban government for their immediate release should such information and
> assurances not be forthcoming. We encourage Libertarian Party members and
> supporters to contact their elected officials toward that end, and further
> ask that the International Alliance of Libertarian Parties join us in
> applying diplomatic pressure for the Castro regime to release information
> related to their detention and call upon the national and international
> media to join us in these efforts.*
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 10:52 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Starchild or anyone else, will you co-sponsor this amended resolution?
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 6:20 PM, David Demarest <
> dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks Tim. I have no objection to the change you suggested.
>
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> ~David
>
>
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> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at h q.lp.org
> <lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org>] *On Behalf Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:45 PM
> *To:* Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com>; Libertarian National Committee
> list <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
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>
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Cuban Prisoner Resolution - Take 2- request
> for co-sponsors
>
>
>
> I have no objection - Joshua and David???
>
>
>
> Tim will you co-sponsor with that change?
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> Because e-mail ballots have no provision for amendment, I ask the sponsors
> to modify the resolution before it goes to a vote by spelling out instead
> of using the acronym IALP, so readers won't think the LNC is making a
> request to the International Association of Logopedics and Phoniatrics.
>
>
>
> Tim Hagan
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:34 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Cuban Prisoner Resolution - Take 2- request
> for co-sponsors
>
>
>
> I voted no because it made, in my view, unfounded accusations against a
> foreign government, and because it contained no action other than 'calling
> up' and 'demanding.'  I suspect others may have voted no for the same
> reasons I did.  This alternative, in my mind, addresses the first concern,
> and at least contains some hints about the second.  I can't say I'm
> terribly enthusiastic, but since email ballots have no provision for
> amendment, I don't think it's unreasonable for a second motion to try to
> address concerns of those who voted no on the first.
>
>
> Joshua A. Katz
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Sam Goldstein <
> goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Did the first motion fail?  Why are we wasting more time on this.
>
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2017 1:19 PM, "Joshua Katz" <planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I will cosponsor.  I fail, however, to understand the following clause:
>
>
>
> *We further ask for an inquiry and response from the Castro regime for
> information related to their detention,*
>
>
>
> Are we asking the Cuban government, which is holding the people, to look
> into it?  Wouldn't they, presumably, already know the answer?  It's fully
> possible that I'm missing something, though.
>
>
> Joshua A. Katz
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I took Joshua's new resolution to the author of the Nevada resolution for
> input.  He suggested some changes and agreed that the last paragraph should
> not be a part (in his non-LNC opinion).  IF this passes, specific direction
> we can give to the staff can be part of a separate motion (and one that
> does not require 3/4 btw).
>
>
>
> I would like to offer this as a new resolution and ask for co-sponsors:
>
>
>
> *The Libertarian National Committee expresses shock and concern for the
> detention of libertarian activists Ubaldo Herrera Hernandez and Manuel
> Velasquez by agents of the Castro regime in Cuba on February 2, whose
> unexplained detention raises suspicions that these political prisoners were
> targeted for their peaceful activism promoting limited government and free
> markets. The two men are believed to be political prisoners imprisoned in
> the infamous Melena II facility, known for appalling living and working
> conditions. * *We further ask for an inquiry and response from the Castro
> regime for information related to their detention, an accurate and complete
> register of charges, and and for assurances that they will receive fair and
> open trials on any legitimate charges.  We further ask that the Cuban
> government for their immediate release should such information and
> assurances not be forthcoming. We encourage Libertarian Party members and
> supporters to contact their elected officials toward that end, and further
> ask that the IALP join us in applying diplomatic pressure for the Castro
> regime to release information related to their detention and call upon the
> national and international media to join us in these efforts.*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>
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>
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> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
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> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
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