[Lnc-business] Cuban Prisoner Resolution - Take 2- request for co-sponsors

Tue Feb 28 14:55:38 EST 2017

<I can't help myself>

My favour action verb of that type is ABOLISH!!!!

Okay I said.

I feel better.

- Caryn Ann

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I agree with the shock and concern as part of a press release, public
> statement, immediate reaction, informal comment, etc...and I don't think
> such a response should be downplayed at all.
>
> However, as a standing formal resolution, I just prefer something less
> dramatic.
>
> And....I totally agree with your very last statement...a great deal of
> what I want to say about many things is NSFW!!!
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> It is true that we (LP) could do better at having/showing feelings ;).
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> However, I, personally, find emotionally charged statements off-putting as
> an initial engagement piece.
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> I guess I hope that an even-tempered, objective statement opens the door
> to the more emotional discussions that need to occur...
>
> 'Strongly opposed to...' has more meaning/bite than 'angry about...' or
> 'abhor...' (examples) to a left-brainer, like myself, at least :/.
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> I prefer to use:
> oppose
> resist
> reject
> etc...
> (imply action is to be taken, or would be taken)
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> I will probably reject the use of:
> am angry about
> am shocked by
> am saddened over
> etc...
> (mere feelings without action, passive-aggressive implications)
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> I will consider:
> regret
> etc...
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> For the record, I don't wholly reject emotion or emotional language when
> it comes to making political statements...and I concede that there are gray
> areas.
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> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Part of our problem in Party image is that we don't use strong emotion
>> enough.  Emotion is human and connects to people.  Our lack of it leads to
>> the perjorative cartoon of Libertarians as having political autism.
>>
>> When people are seized and thrown into a Cuban gulag - particularly our
>> ideological brethren - in violation of basic principles - shock and concern
>> is a mild form of what I would say.
>>
>> What I personally would say would be NSFW.
>>
>> --Caryn Ann
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>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 11:04 AM Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> 'Shock' and 'concern' are not words I want to use - subjective,
>> emotional...
>>
>> When I vote on a resolution, I cannot merely consider the spirit of the
>> message.  I consider the depth of the language, the meaning behind each
>> word, possible interpretations, pitfalls, and potential fallout.  I never
>> want to publish something that winds up being a waste of words or that
>> requires retraction.
>>
>> I also have to consider whether or not the statement sounds like
>> something I would say, or something I could justify ever saying...I admit I
>> struggle to adopt the words of others as my own....which is basically what
>> we are being asked to do when we vote on resolutions.
>>
>> Whitney Bilyeu
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>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
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>> I think the fourth sentence has an extra "that" that doesn't belong.
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>> Tim Hagan
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad <https://yho.com/footer0>
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>> On Monday, February 27, 2017, 9:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The agreed to change is as follows:
>>
>> I took Joshua's new resolution to the author of the Nevada resolution for
>> input.  He suggested some changes and agreed that the last paragraph should
>> not be a part (in his non-LNC opinion).  IF this passes, specific direction
>> we can give to the staff can be part of a separate motion (and one that
>> does not require 3/4 btw).
>>
>> I would like to offer this as a new resolution and ask for co-sponsors:
>>
>> *The Libertarian National Committee expresses shock and concern for the
>> detention of libertarian activists Ubaldo Herrera Hernandez and Manuel
>> Velasquez by agents of the Castro regime in Cuba on February 2, whose
>> unexplained detention raises suspicions that these political prisoners were
>> targeted for their peaceful activism promoting limited government and free
>> markets. **The two men are believed to be political prisoners imprisoned
>> in the infamous Melena II facility, known for appalling living and working
>> conditions. * *We further ask for an inquiry and response from** the
>> Castro regime for information related to their detention, an accurate and
>> complete register of charges, and and for assurances that they will receive
>> fair and open trials on any legitimate charges.  We further ask that the
>> Cuban government for their immediate release should such information and
>> assurances not be forthcoming. We encourage Libertarian Party members and
>> supporters to contact their elected officials toward that end, and further
>> ask that the International Alliance of Libertarian Parties join us in
>> applying diplomatic pressure for the Castro regime to release information
>> related to their detention and call upon the national and international
>> media to join us in these efforts.*
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>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 10:52 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Starchild or anyone else, will you co-sponsor this amended resolution?
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 6:20 PM, David Demarest <
>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Tim. I have no objection to the change you suggested.
>>
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>> Thoughts?
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>>
>> ~David
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>> ~David Pratt Demarest
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>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at h q.lp.org
>> <lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org>] *On Behalf Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
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>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:45 PM
>> *To:* Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com>; Libertarian National Committee
>> list <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
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>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Cuban Prisoner Resolution - Take 2-
>> request for co-sponsors
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>> I have no objection - Joshua and David???
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>> Tim will you co-sponsor with that change?
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>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
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>> Because e-mail ballots have no provision for amendment, I ask the
>> sponsors to modify the resolution before it goes to a vote by spelling out
>> instead of using the acronym IALP, so readers won't think the LNC is making
>> a request to the International Association of Logopedics and Phoniatrics.
>>
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>>
>> Tim Hagan
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:34 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Cuban Prisoner Resolution - Take 2-
>> request for co-sponsors
>>
>>
>>
>> I voted no because it made, in my view, unfounded accusations against a
>> foreign government, and because it contained no action other than 'calling
>> up' and 'demanding.'  I suspect others may have voted no for the same
>> reasons I did.  This alternative, in my mind, addresses the first concern,
>> and at least contains some hints about the second.  I can't say I'm
>> terribly enthusiastic, but since email ballots have no provision for
>> amendment, I don't think it's unreasonable for a second motion to try to
>> address concerns of those who voted no on the first.
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>> Joshua A. Katz
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>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Sam Goldstein <
>> goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Did the first motion fail?  Why are we wasting more time on this.
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>> On Feb 26, 2017 1:19 PM, "Joshua Katz" <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I will cosponsor.  I fail, however, to understand the following clause:
>>
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>> *We further ask for an inquiry and response from the Castro regime for
>> information related to their detention,*
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>> Are we asking the Cuban government, which is holding the people, to look
>> into it?  Wouldn't they, presumably, already know the answer?  It's fully
>> possible that I'm missing something, though.
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>>
>> Joshua A. Katz
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>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I took Joshua's new resolution to the author of the Nevada resolution for
>> input.  He suggested some changes and agreed that the last paragraph should
>> not be a part (in his non-LNC opinion).  IF this passes, specific direction
>> we can give to the staff can be part of a separate motion (and one that
>> does not require 3/4 btw).
>>
>>
>>
>> I would like to offer this as a new resolution and ask for co-sponsors:
>>
>>
>>
>> *The Libertarian National Committee expresses shock and concern for the
>> detention of libertarian activists Ubaldo Herrera Hernandez and Manuel
>> Velasquez by agents of the Castro regime in Cuba on February 2, whose
>> unexplained detention raises suspicions that these political prisoners were
>> targeted for their peaceful activism promoting limited government and free
>> markets. The two men are believed to be political prisoners imprisoned in
>> the infamous Melena II facility, known for appalling living and working
>> conditions. * *We further ask for an inquiry and response from the
>> Castro regime for information related to their detention, an accurate and
>> complete register of charges, and and for assurances that they will receive
>> fair and open trials on any legitimate charges.  We further ask that the
>> Cuban government for their immediate release should such information and
>> assurances not be forthcoming. We encourage Libertarian Party members and
>> supporters to contact their elected officials toward that end, and further
>> ask that the IALP join us in applying diplomatic pressure for the Castro
>> regime to release information related to their detention and call upon the
>> national and international media to join us in these efforts.*
>>
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>> --
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>> *In Liberty,*
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>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
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>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
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>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
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>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
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Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
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