[Lnc-business] Cuban Prisoner Resolution - Take 2- request for co-sponsors

Tue Feb 28 15:05:47 EST 2017

HELL, YES!

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 1:55 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
wrote:

> <I can't help myself>
>
> My favour action verb of that type is ABOLISH!!!!
>
> Okay I said.
>
> I feel better.
>
> - Caryn Ann
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I agree with the shock and concern as part of a press release, public
>> statement, immediate reaction, informal comment, etc...and I don't think
>> such a response should be downplayed at all.
>>
>> However, as a standing formal resolution, I just prefer something less
>> dramatic.
>>
>> And....I totally agree with your very last statement...a great deal of
>> what I want to say about many things is NSFW!!!
>>
>> It is true that we (LP) could do better at having/showing feelings ;).
>>
>> However, I, personally, find emotionally charged statements off-putting
>> as an initial engagement piece.
>>
>> I guess I hope that an even-tempered, objective statement opens the door
>> to the more emotional discussions that need to occur...
>>
>> 'Strongly opposed to...' has more meaning/bite than 'angry about...' or
>> 'abhor...' (examples) to a left-brainer, like myself, at least :/.
>>
>> I prefer to use:
>> oppose
>> resist
>> reject
>> etc...
>> (imply action is to be taken, or would be taken)
>>
>> I will probably reject the use of:
>> am angry about
>> am shocked by
>> am saddened over
>> etc...
>> (mere feelings without action, passive-aggressive implications)
>>
>> I will consider:
>> regret
>> etc...
>>
>> For the record, I don't wholly reject emotion or emotional language when
>> it comes to making political statements...and I concede that there are gray
>> areas.
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>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Part of our problem in Party image is that we don't use strong emotion
>>> enough.  Emotion is human and connects to people.  Our lack of it leads to
>>> the perjorative cartoon of Libertarians as having political autism.
>>>
>>> When people are seized and thrown into a Cuban gulag - particularly our
>>> ideological brethren - in violation of basic principles - shock and concern
>>> is a mild form of what I would say.
>>>
>>> What I personally would say would be NSFW.
>>>
>>> --Caryn Ann
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 11:04 AM Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 'Shock' and 'concern' are not words I want to use - subjective,
>>> emotional...
>>>
>>> When I vote on a resolution, I cannot merely consider the spirit of the
>>> message.  I consider the depth of the language, the meaning behind each
>>> word, possible interpretations, pitfalls, and potential fallout.  I never
>>> want to publish something that winds up being a waste of words or that
>>> requires retraction.
>>>
>>> I also have to consider whether or not the statement sounds like
>>> something I would say, or something I could justify ever saying...I admit I
>>> struggle to adopt the words of others as my own....which is basically what
>>> we are being asked to do when we vote on resolutions.
>>>
>>> Whitney Bilyeu
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think the fourth sentence has an extra "that" that doesn't belong.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim Hagan
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad <https://yho.com/footer0>
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 27, 2017, 9:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The agreed to change is as follows:
>>>
>>> I took Joshua's new resolution to the author of the Nevada resolution
>>> for input.  He suggested some changes and agreed that the last paragraph
>>> should not be a part (in his non-LNC opinion).  IF this passes, specific
>>> direction we can give to the staff can be part of a separate motion (and
>>> one that does not require 3/4 btw).
>>>
>>> I would like to offer this as a new resolution and ask for co-sponsors:
>>>
>>> *The Libertarian National Committee expresses shock and concern for the
>>> detention of libertarian activists Ubaldo Herrera Hernandez and Manuel
>>> Velasquez by agents of the Castro regime in Cuba on February 2, whose
>>> unexplained detention raises suspicions that these political prisoners were
>>> targeted for their peaceful activism promoting limited government and free
>>> markets. **The two men are believed to be political prisoners
>>> imprisoned in the infamous Melena II facility, known for appalling living
>>> and working conditions. * *We further ask for an inquiry and response
>>> from** the Castro regime for information related to their detention, an
>>> accurate and complete register of charges, and and for assurances that they
>>> will receive fair and open trials on any legitimate charges.  We further
>>> ask that the Cuban government for their immediate release should such
>>> information and assurances not be forthcoming. We encourage Libertarian
>>> Party members and supporters to contact their elected officials toward that
>>> end, and further ask that the International Alliance of Libertarian Parties
>>> join us in applying diplomatic pressure for the Castro regime to release
>>> information related to their detention and call upon the national and
>>> international media to join us in these efforts.*
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 10:52 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Starchild or anyone else, will you co-sponsor this amended resolution?
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 6:20 PM, David Demarest <
>>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Tim. I have no objection to the change you suggested.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ~David
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> *Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at h q.lp.org
>>> <lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org>] *On Behalf Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 26, 2017 5:45 PM
>>> *To:* Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com>; Libertarian National
>>> Committee list <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Cuban Prisoner Resolution - Take 2-
>>> request for co-sponsors
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have no objection - Joshua and David???
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim will you co-sponsor with that change?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Tim Hagan <timhagan-tyr at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Because e-mail ballots have no provision for amendment, I ask the
>>> sponsors to modify the resolution before it goes to a vote by spelling out
>>> instead of using the acronym IALP, so readers won't think the LNC is making
>>> a request to the International Association of Logopedics and Phoniatrics.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim Hagan
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From:* Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:34 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Cuban Prisoner Resolution - Take 2-
>>> request for co-sponsors
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I voted no because it made, in my view, unfounded accusations against a
>>> foreign government, and because it contained no action other than 'calling
>>> up' and 'demanding.'  I suspect others may have voted no for the same
>>> reasons I did.  This alternative, in my mind, addresses the first concern,
>>> and at least contains some hints about the second.  I can't say I'm
>>> terribly enthusiastic, but since email ballots have no provision for
>>> amendment, I don't think it's unreasonable for a second motion to try to
>>> address concerns of those who voted no on the first.
>>>
>>>
>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Sam Goldstein <
>>> goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Did the first motion fail?  Why are we wasting more time on this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 26, 2017 1:19 PM, "Joshua Katz" <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I will cosponsor.  I fail, however, to understand the following clause:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *We further ask for an inquiry and response from the Castro regime for
>>> information related to their detention,*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are we asking the Cuban government, which is holding the people, to look
>>> into it?  Wouldn't they, presumably, already know the answer?  It's fully
>>> possible that I'm missing something, though.
>>>
>>>
>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I took Joshua's new resolution to the author of the Nevada resolution
>>> for input.  He suggested some changes and agreed that the last paragraph
>>> should not be a part (in his non-LNC opinion).  IF this passes, specific
>>> direction we can give to the staff can be part of a separate motion (and
>>> one that does not require 3/4 btw).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would like to offer this as a new resolution and ask for co-sponsors:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *The Libertarian National Committee expresses shock and concern for the
>>> detention of libertarian activists Ubaldo Herrera Hernandez and Manuel
>>> Velasquez by agents of the Castro regime in Cuba on February 2, whose
>>> unexplained detention raises suspicions that these political prisoners were
>>> targeted for their peaceful activism promoting limited government and free
>>> markets. The two men are believed to be political prisoners imprisoned in
>>> the infamous Melena II facility, known for appalling living and working
>>> conditions. * *We further ask for an inquiry and response from the
>>> Castro regime for information related to their detention, an accurate and
>>> complete register of charges, and and for assurances that they will receive
>>> fair and open trials on any legitimate charges.  We further ask that the
>>> Cuban government for their immediate release should such information and
>>> assurances not be forthcoming. We encourage Libertarian Party members and
>>> supporters to contact their elected officials toward that end, and further
>>> ask that the IALP join us in applying diplomatic pressure for the Castro
>>> regime to release information related to their detention and call upon the
>>> national and international media to join us in these efforts.*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
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>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
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>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
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>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
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>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
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> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
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