[Lnc-business] Discussion on proposed Motion on Records Move (historical committee)
Wes Benedict
wes.benedict at lp.org
Tue Mar 21 16:03:29 EDT 2017
Joshua,
As executive director, I'm tasked with raising revenue for the party,
whether by raising the funds myself, or delegating, or a combination.
The 2017 Budgeted revenue is $1,374,200. Divide that by 52x5=260
business days and that's $5,285 per business day.
I definitely spent over an hour just working to have one volunteer come
to LPHQ and volunteer for about 8 hours. That volunteer did a fine job,
but I had to confirm with her when she could arrive, exchange
pleasantries, chat a bit about things (to not would be rude treatment of
guests IMHO), talk to Caryn Ann a bit about all that, receive some
office supplies and point them out to the volunteer, etc.
Estimating the time saved, and the value of the opportunity costs saved,
involves very rough estimates. I think the time I save will be worth the
cost of moving the stuff. I think I'll save a couple weeks of my time
and Caryn Ann will make 3 times faster progress by getting this stuff
close to her.
I'm not wanting to fight too hard for this. It's what I think we should
do, but it's not the most important thing in the world.
Giving me control to make sure LP.org is working properly is an example
of something that was the most important thing in the world, and that is
something I did fight hard for and you all supported me on it and LP.org
has worked much better since then.
Moving the stuff to Colorado, is the right thing to do I think, but I
can live without it.
Wes Benedict, Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
(202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
On 3/21/2017 3:38 PM, Joshua Katz wrote:
> Before venturing an opinion on the two proposals before us, I would
> ask to see what the committee has planned for the $5,000 budgeted
> already. I will say that I am concerned, especially given past
> experience, when the cost of a project doubles within a few weeks. At
> the same time, I am not quite clear on why we need to increase the
> budget by $5,000 at this point when the proposal will cost $5,000 and
> nothing has been spent, so before doing so, I want to know what the
> original money is designated for.
>
> I do appreciate, at the same time, that there is an effort to
> fundraise specifically for this project. In my view, the cost, even
> if completely crowd-funded, will still be non-zero because of
> fungibility, but obviously will be low. Since our budget does not
> fund compensation out of functional lines, there's also an
> unaccounted-for decrease in staff costs associated with doing it this
> way instead of continuing the project but not moving the items. Wes,
> do you have guess on that - less, equal to, or more than $5k?
>
> Even when things are crowd-funded, of course, it is the responsibility
> of this board to set priorities for projects that should get done,
> especially when staff time is required. We voted that this is
> something worth doing at a cost of $5k plus stuff costs. Is it also
> worth doing at $10k plus staff costs? That seems to be, in large
> part, the question, I would think.
>
> Joshua A. Katz
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Sam Goldstein
> <goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com <mailto:goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I would like to amend the motion to designate the Harlos residence
> as the David Nolan Memorial Library, Museum and
> Cannabis Cafe.
>
> Sam
>
> Sam Goldstein
> Libertarian National Committee
> Member at Large
> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
> Indianapolis IN 46260
> 317-850-0726 <tel:%28317%29%20850-0726> Phone
> 317-582-1773 <tel:%28317%29%20582-1773> Fax
>
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
> <carynannharlos at gmail.com <mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Also, I stated that if approved, I would sign up for a payment
> plan life membership. I am willing to do that because it will
> cost me personally that much to make several trips at my own
> cost to VA to do supervise and organize the off site storage.
> The Party will get back records usable for years and years to
> come and they will be available for Party members. A lot of
> other benefits were discussed in the other thread. If I am
> right about this being high by about $1000 (Dunbar can stay at
> my home in CO), and then my pledge to give $1,500 over 12
> months, we are looking at $2,500 (if I'm wrong it is $3,500).
> Wes believes he can raise it (and if we raise more it can
> offset the other approved amount for which I personally have
> already raised about $1,200 and once LPedia is up I will get
> more). Lastly I believe the CO storage will be about 15% per
> month cheaper. All around this is a good deal for the party if
> it wants to takes its history and records seriously (and I
> cannot underestimate the good will there will be with members
> when these records are online).
>
> As most of you know, I am a professional paralegal. I have
> worked large large document intensive cases. The Committee I
> appointed are professionals. The amount of volunteer value
> that the Party is getting is tremendous - we couldn't afford
> it if we were to pay the people working on this. Now is the
> time, and ultimately, I believe it will all be funded through
> donations by end of year.
>
> Members are passionate about this. I have been quiet on the
> fund raising push because I want to have LPedia open first
> with some great content (and its getting there- initial "grand
> opening" will likely be within two weeks).
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Wes Benedict
> <wes.benedict at lp.org <mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org>> wrote:
>
> My first thought along the process was "gee, Caryn Ann, I
> sure wish you lived in the DC area. All this would be so
> much easier. Then you could come in the office and take
> care of all of this yourself, and manage the volunteers."
> Then later I thought "you know what, I just moved most of
> these materials (some of them twice). I could easily move
> them again to where Caryn Ann is." Then she and I wouldn't
> have to call and send several emails to each other for
> each minor step of work on this.
>
> Sure they'll be an added moving cost, but the
> simplification of doing the work for Caryn Ann and me will
> be greatly facilitated.
>
> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232 <tel:%28202%29%20333-0008>,wes.benedict at lp.org <mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org>
> facebook.com/libertarians <http://facebook.com/libertarians> @LPNational
> Join the Libertarian Party at:http://lp.org/membership
>
> On 3/21/2017 1:33 PM, Wes Benedict wrote:
>>
>> The original idea to move the stuff to Colorado was mine.
>>
>> I got the idea after several phone calls with Caryn Ann
>> talking about how to get various volunteers into the
>> office, talking about what would they do, who would
>> answer their questions, then who would pack up what and
>> ship to where as needed. We've had one volunteer come in
>> to start listing what's in our basement and that one
>> arrangement, as simple as it sounds, took many emails and
>> a couple phone calls. "Would we be here Saturday for the
>> volunteer?" Answer: "probably from "10 a.m. to 3 p.m."
>> Later: "Looks like I can have another staffer here later
>> on Saturday if needed." Later: "Oops, not coming in after
>> all."
>>
>> Coordinating the work of semi-reliable volunteers between
>> Caryn Ann Harlos and me is going to take a significant
>> amount of my time even in the best of circumstances.
>>
>> Most of the volunteer help for this project is going to
>> come from Caryn Ann, and many volunteers she'll be able
>> to recruit in her state and nearby states.
>>
>> It sounds counter-intuitive on one level, but I think it
>> will cost a whole lot less, and save me a whole lot of
>> time, to deliver the items to Colorado for a couple years
>> for Caryn Ann to work on.
>>
>> It's my idea. I think Caryn Ann is going to work hard on
>> this valuable project. I think I could raise the funds
>> with a couple emails to cover the added cost. And I'd be
>> saving myself a lot of time in the future coordinating
>> with Caryn Ann about who can volunteer when and where,
>> and where do we ship what, and how do we label what
>> folders what.
>>
>> I'm only for this because Caryn Ann has already
>> demonstrated her reliability and hard work. I would not
>> be for this if just any old committee chair asked for it.
>> I'd be paranoid the materials would be forgotten forever.
>>
>>
>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232 <tel:%28202%29%20333-0008>,wes.benedict at lp.org <mailto:wes.benedict at lp.org>
>> facebook.com/libertarians <http://facebook.com/libertarians> @LPNational
>> Join the Libertarian Party at:http://lp.org/membership
>> On 3/21/2017 1:13 PM, Sam Goldstein wrote:
>>> Why on earth would we want to pay to move this stuff to
>>> CO when the party headquarters
>>> is in the D.C. area? Are you planning a David Nolan
>>> Libertarian Party Library and Museum?
>>>
>>> Sam Goldstein
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>> Member at Large
>>> 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
>>> Indianapolis IN 46260
>>> 317-850-0726 <tel:%28317%29%20850-0726> Phone
>>> 317-582-1773 <tel:%28317%29%20582-1773> Fax
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Okay now that we have discussed the moving of the
>>> historical records, I am ready to put forth a
>>> proposed motion but am asking for feedback before
>>> asking for co-sponsors.
>>>
>>> Move to budget up to an additional $5,000 (budget
>>> line 90) to relocate the historical records in the
>>> Duke Street basement and in the off-site storage
>>> facility to a location in Colorado to be determined
>>> by Historical Preservation Committee Chair. The
>>> facility will be paid by for and under the control
>>> of the LNC and will be obtained at a cost equal or
>>> less to the price paid for the similar facility in
>>> Virginia. The Executive Director will be directed
>>> to send out up to two fundraising letters to cover
>>> this expense and the prior budgeted Historical
>>> Committee expense (credit to budget line 25).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
>>> Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii,
>>> Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>> <mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of
>>> Colorado <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party
>>> Radical Caucus <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>
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