[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-06: Move Archive Records to CO

William Redpath wredpath2 at yahoo.com
Fri Mar 24 13:53:38 EDT 2017


The Pittsburgh LNC meeting is only three weeks away.  Can't we discuss all this in person there, and then vote?  Bill Redpath
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On Fri, 3/24/17, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-06: Move Archive Records to CO
 To: "Libertarian National Committee list" <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
 Date: Friday, March 24, 2017, 1:00 PM
 
 Okay I
 think I answered everyone's post.  I will say the one
 thing I said when I was looking at taking five years to get
 a two year degree because I waited until I was out on my own
 to go to school.  Five years will come no matter what. 
 The only question is where I will be when they do.  
 Similarly, the years will pass here.  Do we want a pile of
 unorganized stuff in two years or do we want to take
 advantage of this opportunity (that may in fact be very low
 costs because Wes will do a few fundraising emails for it,
 and I have committed some money).
 - Caryn Ann
 On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at
 10:58 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
 wrote:
 Wes, I cannot promise we will not need an offsite
 storage any longer, for instance there are a few items to
 add to the historical collection (Nolan's widow has his
 personal correspondences and some early Party stuff I am
 securing), but it will certainly be compact and lean and
 useable.  While I am passionate about Party history, I am
 not sentimental to the extent of "OMG The Nolan may
 have this touched This Piece of Paper, it Must Be
 Saved!" but any culling decisions will be brought to
 the LNC, and you will have thorough
 recommendations. 
 I also
 think we can use this project as a means of
 "touch" to the members to garner some
 excitement.  Whether one thinks my interest is silly (as
 some do), there is no doubt, that I am infectious with
 it. 
 - Caryn Ann
 On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at
 10:55 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
 wrote:
 Starchild, thank you for your trust in me.  So
 far I believe I have demonstrated it - I *could* have easily
 spent up to a thousand dollars already but I have sought
 volunteers with skills to do professional scanning and as
 long as I can tap into those (and not burn out their time),
 I will do so.  I  treat OPP very seriously.  I have also
 committed to being completely transparent and forthcoming
 with monetary decisions (and we have a public committee
 discussion list) and accountable to members.  There have
 been some minimal costs that I have gotten donated.  And
 that will be the case whenever I can - and it is in the best
 interest of the project (i.e. volunteer work has to be of
 the quality we need - a home scanner will not do when we
 need a professional scan job, but fortunately I have a
 volunteer with access to the genealogical scanner used by
 the LDS church- PRO!).
 - Caryn Ann
 On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at
 10:51 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
 wrote:
 Alicia,
 The issue of common carrier versus
 U-Haul is something I discussed with Wes.  In order to pack
 things up so that it can be transported would take staff
 time.  And Wes wants to send the shelving, and just send
 things "as is" and let me straighten it up.  With
 the U-Haul it can just be put in and sent with no re-packing
 needed.
 As far as
 whether or not everything can be organized and scanned
 before the end of next term, there are several issues there.
 First, the committee itself. While this committee ends at
 that time, it is my intention to prove its value, have a
 good working model, and move for a permanent historical
 committee next year.  In any event, LPedia must be
 maintained, and I expect the LNC will appoint a new
 committee- and if I am not on the LNC, I will apply to be on
 the committee.  Even if not, I will continue my volunteer
 work.  I think Starchild covered this well.  As far as
 goals, I am very sober-minded as to our goals.  I
 absolutely do not expect (nor is there budget for, though I
 am doing pretty well at finding no-cost volunteers) the
 entire archives to be scanned by the end of this term.  I
 do realistically expect it to be organized and inventoried
 and the most critical items uploaded. And with the
 organization, the next committee will be able to continue to
 prioritize until it is done.  Without the organization, I
 cannot wisely spend the initial budget on the most critical
 and most  general interest items. While I might be in
 rapturous delight over a handwritten note by Gary Nolan on
 the back of a memo, our membership is more interested in
 news items. training items, press releases, and minutes.  I
 am prioritizing to the needs and wants of our members.  And
 as Daniel and Wes said, there is a lot of duplicates and
 items that do not need to be saved.  I will be able to make
 culling recommendations to the LNC and to Wes and to carry
 those out.
 I expect
 these records will remain here for at least a few years. And
 I have a volunteer that drives cross country often, and I
 might be able to find someone to bring them back at little
 to no cost - the volume will be less in any event, even if
 we have to pay.  And they could come back by common carrier
 as I will be able to have the volunteers to re-pack as
 necessary.
 I went
 quickly through a representative portion of the offsite
 storage. Everything I saw were items to be saved (in
 general, most certainly there is redundancy and culling and
 curating to do).  It is interesting you mention the
 "so and so's desk" boxes... that is part of
 the problem. Who is ever going to go through that stuff? 
 Wes thinks there might be minutes and other important items
 there, if not, I will straighten it out and solve that
 problem.  And when I say "I" I don't mean I
 am super woman to do it all myself, but with a home base in
 CO, the birthplace, of the Party, and my volunteer
 connections in neighboring states, I can manage this
 properly, as a Chair should.  
 In any event, it will be cheaper to
 come back after several years, in great shape with
 professional organization and of use to the Party and its
 members.
 -Caryn Ann
 On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at
 10:40 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
 wrote:
 I have a bunch of commentary to add that I will
 take one at a time.
 Daniel,
 that is exactly what I was thinking.  I think this
 Committee may find some auction items and may be able to put
 together a nice historical interest display, and you might
 want to consider having one of us speak.
 -Caryn Ann
 On Fri,
 Mar 24, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
 wrote:
 Us finally throwing away
 a bunch of sacred invoices and other magical papers and
 stuff we don't need was my motivation to sponsor .  It
 might take 5 years to recoup but it is money we can
 save.
 Also,
 keep in mind that if we can monetize some of this stuff,
 even better.  As Sam and a couple of others know, we are
 looking to hold a silent auction at convention in NOLA. 
 Caryn Ann may find some things that we don't want to
 throw away but don't have space to display that a member
 might have interest in.  I'd rather see us put some
 cash to the use this party exists for and allow a member to
 have some enjoyment instead of sticking it in a box on a
 shelf.  One person's junk is another person's
 treasure.
 
 Daniel
 HayesLNC
 At Large Member 
 
 Sent from my
 iPhone
 On Mar 24, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Wes Benedict
 <wes.benedict at lp.org>
 wrote:
 
 
   
     
   
   
     Actually, if Caryn Ann does a good enough job, we
 should no
       longer need an off-site storage unit. The unit
 we're in now just
       went up to $248 per month starting in March 2018 (up
 about $20
       from February).
     William Redpath, can you calculate the Prevent Value
 of the
       saving of $248 per month in perpetuity? 
 
     
     And if you can do that, can you then get a bit more
 precise by
       making the assumption the $248 per month spending
 won't stop for 2
       years?
 
     
     Thanks Bill, that'd be great.
     
 
     
     Wes
 Benedict, Executive Director
 Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
 (202) 333-0008 ext. 232,
 wes.benedict at lp.org
 facebook.com/libertarians
 @LPNational
 Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
     On
 3/24/2017 11:43 AM, Wes Benedict
       wrote:
 
     
     Around 300 boxes with the
 miscellaneous "slips of
       paper" have been shredded since 2013. I spent
 many days on that
       work myself doing a first and second pass through the
 mountain of
       junk in the cool, damp, rat-infested dungeon storage
 underneath
       the Watergate complex, and then doing 3rd and 4th
 passes at our
       storage units after moving the stuff to Alexandria. (I
 did not
       shred the stuff myself--just identified the boxes and
 then had a
       professional service handle it).
       
 
       
 
       I am not exaggerating about the rats. I do not recall
 finding dead
       rats in any boxes and did not necessarily see rats
 inside our
       particular unit, but there were dead dried out rat
 carcasses less
       than 20 feet outside the door to our unit and in the
 hallway
       leading up to our unit and inside adjacent units.
       
 
       
 
       In addition to things that have been shredded, I did
 not count the
       number of boxes of stuff that I threw away that did
 not need to be
       shredded. I also personally tore apart, dismantled,
 and sawed when
       necessary (with my personal Bosch circular saws and
 drill), large
       painted plywood structures that I think were used in
 the 2000 and
       2004 national conventions (along with the wooden
 pallets).
       
 
       
 
       For a decade, it seemed, no one was willing to throw
 things away.
       I can't blame them. Who wants to throw something
 away when someone
       might complain later? Plus, it's easier to just
 box up an old
       employees stuff and push it aside rather than go
 through it and
       sort it all out.  The result was valuable things were
 getting
       buried by old broken furniture and useless pieces of
 returned mail
       slips that had no value. Boxes of potentially valuable
 documents
       were getting crushed and split and were spilling in
 the damp
       basement of the Watergate. The basement of the
 Watergate obviously
       wasn't climate controlled and the storage
 facilities were down an
       underground hallway from the dumpsters for CVS and the
 grocery
       store Safeway, and just 200 yard crawl for rats from
 the shores of
       the Potomac. Grocery stores generate a lot of smelly
 garbage that
       attracts rats.
       
 
       
 
       For the most part, I did not go through many
 individual boxes and
       sort through individual pieces of stuff. I either kept
 the whole
       box, or through the whole box out (or shredded if
 necessary).
       
 
       
 
       We still have over a dozen 4-drawer file cabinets and
 maybe 100
       boxes of stuff that needs to be gone through more
 carefully. That
       takes a lot of time. When it's time to bring the
 stuff back from
       Colorado, I expect the content to be 15% of it's
 original size.
       That's because there is still stuff to throw away,
 and also, for
       things like fundraising letters that were sent in
 1992--there are
       probably 5 or 10 copies of each.
       
 
       
 
       That stuff is getting older every day, but at least we
 now have it
       stored in a climate controlled storage unit in
 Alexandria, instead
       of the basement of the Watergate.
       
 
       
 
       I probably inadvertently  threw some things out that
 we wished I
       hadn't, but I feel like my actions to jettison
 some garbage even
       if there was some collateral damage, was urgent, and
 necessary for
       the greater good of the documents that were saved, and
 because we
       needed space for our more recent documents.
       
 
       
 
       A few photos attached.
       
 
       
 
       Wes Benedict, Executive Director
       
 
       Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
       
 
       1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
       
 
       (202) 333-0008 ext.
 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
       
 
       facebook.com/libertarians
 @LPNational
       
 
       Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
       
 
       
 
       On 3/24/2017 4:43 AM, Alicia Mattson wrote:
       
 
       Having spent some time digging
 through
         these materials a few years ago, I know there are a
 LOT of boxes
         of old membership forms with hand-written signatures
 on the
         membership certification.  I don't imagine
 those going online
         for the world to see, so why ship 50 boxes to
 Colorado and back?
         
 
         
 
         I don't recall a terribly high percentage of
 those files being
         things that are of historical value that would
 belong in an
         online archive.  Some of it was, but much was
 not.  Old invoices
         and vendor contracts.  Miscellaneous contents of
 the desk
         drawers of former employees.  Is there really
 enough historical
         material to fill a UHaul?
         
 
       
       
 
       
 
       
       
 
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 In
 Liberty,Caryn Ann
 HarlosRegion 1
 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado,
 Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
 Harlos at LP.orgCommunications Director, Libertarian Party of
 ColoradoColorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party
 Radical Caucus Chair, LP Historical Preservation
 Committee
 A haiku to the Statement of
 Principles:We defend your
 rightsAnd oppose the use of
 forceTaxation is
 theft
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 In
 Liberty,Caryn Ann
 HarlosRegion 1
 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado,
 Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
 Harlos at LP.orgCommunications Director, Libertarian Party of
 ColoradoColorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party
 Radical Caucus Chair, LP Historical Preservation
 Committee
 A haiku to the Statement of
 Principles:We defend your
 rightsAnd oppose the use of
 forceTaxation is
 theft
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 In
 Liberty,Caryn Ann
 HarlosRegion 1
 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado,
 Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
 Harlos at LP.orgCommunications Director, Libertarian Party of
 ColoradoColorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party
 Radical Caucus Chair, LP Historical Preservation
 Committee
 A haiku to the Statement of
 Principles:We defend your
 rightsAnd oppose the use of
 forceTaxation is
 theft
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 In
 Liberty,Caryn Ann
 HarlosRegion 1
 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado,
 Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
 Harlos at LP.orgCommunications Director, Libertarian Party of
 ColoradoColorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party
 Radical Caucus Chair, LP Historical Preservation
 Committee
 A haiku to the Statement of
 Principles:We defend your
 rightsAnd oppose the use of
 forceTaxation is
 theft
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 In
 Liberty,Caryn Ann
 HarlosRegion 1
 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado,
 Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
 Harlos at LP.orgCommunications Director, Libertarian Party of
 ColoradoColorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party
 Radical Caucus Chair, LP Historical Preservation
 Committee
 A haiku to the Statement of
 Principles:We defend your
 rightsAnd oppose the use of
 forceTaxation is
 theft
 
 
 
 
 
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