[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-06: Move Archive Records to CO
Caryn Ann Harlos
carynannharlos at gmail.com
Fri Mar 24 15:37:41 EDT 2017
Bill, I try to get things done that can be done ahead of time to leave time
for other in-depth discussions. We always seem to not have enough time.
-Caryn Ann
On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:53 AM, William Redpath <wredpath2 at yahoo.com>
wrote:
> The Pittsburgh LNC meeting is only three weeks away. Can't we discuss all
> this in person there, and then vote? Bill Redpath
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 3/24/17, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-06: Move Archive Records to
> CO
> To: "Libertarian National Committee list" <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
> Date: Friday, March 24, 2017, 1:00 PM
>
> Okay I
> think I answered everyone's post. I will say the one
> thing I said when I was looking at taking five years to get
> a two year degree because I waited until I was out on my own
> to go to school. Five years will come no matter what.
> The only question is where I will be when they do.
> Similarly, the years will pass here. Do we want a pile of
> unorganized stuff in two years or do we want to take
> advantage of this opportunity (that may in fact be very low
> costs because Wes will do a few fundraising emails for it,
> and I have committed some money).
> - Caryn Ann
> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at
> 10:58 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Wes, I cannot promise we will not need an offsite
> storage any longer, for instance there are a few items to
> add to the historical collection (Nolan's widow has his
> personal correspondences and some early Party stuff I am
> securing), but it will certainly be compact and lean and
> useable. While I am passionate about Party history, I am
> not sentimental to the extent of "OMG The Nolan may
> have this touched This Piece of Paper, it Must Be
> Saved!" but any culling decisions will be brought to
> the LNC, and you will have thorough
> recommendations.
> I also
> think we can use this project as a means of
> "touch" to the members to garner some
> excitement. Whether one thinks my interest is silly (as
> some do), there is no doubt, that I am infectious with
> it.
> - Caryn Ann
> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at
> 10:55 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Starchild, thank you for your trust in me. So
> far I believe I have demonstrated it - I *could* have easily
> spent up to a thousand dollars already but I have sought
> volunteers with skills to do professional scanning and as
> long as I can tap into those (and not burn out their time),
> I will do so. I treat OPP very seriously. I have also
> committed to being completely transparent and forthcoming
> with monetary decisions (and we have a public committee
> discussion list) and accountable to members. There have
> been some minimal costs that I have gotten donated. And
> that will be the case whenever I can - and it is in the best
> interest of the project (i.e. volunteer work has to be of
> the quality we need - a home scanner will not do when we
> need a professional scan job, but fortunately I have a
> volunteer with access to the genealogical scanner used by
> the LDS church- PRO!).
> - Caryn Ann
> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at
> 10:51 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Alicia,
> The issue of common carrier versus
> U-Haul is something I discussed with Wes. In order to pack
> things up so that it can be transported would take staff
> time. And Wes wants to send the shelving, and just send
> things "as is" and let me straighten it up. With
> the U-Haul it can just be put in and sent with no re-packing
> needed.
> As far as
> whether or not everything can be organized and scanned
> before the end of next term, there are several issues there.
> First, the committee itself. While this committee ends at
> that time, it is my intention to prove its value, have a
> good working model, and move for a permanent historical
> committee next year. In any event, LPedia must be
> maintained, and I expect the LNC will appoint a new
> committee- and if I am not on the LNC, I will apply to be on
> the committee. Even if not, I will continue my volunteer
> work. I think Starchild covered this well. As far as
> goals, I am very sober-minded as to our goals. I
> absolutely do not expect (nor is there budget for, though I
> am doing pretty well at finding no-cost volunteers) the
> entire archives to be scanned by the end of this term. I
> do realistically expect it to be organized and inventoried
> and the most critical items uploaded. And with the
> organization, the next committee will be able to continue to
> prioritize until it is done. Without the organization, I
> cannot wisely spend the initial budget on the most critical
> and most general interest items. While I might be in
> rapturous delight over a handwritten note by Gary Nolan on
> the back of a memo, our membership is more interested in
> news items. training items, press releases, and minutes. I
> am prioritizing to the needs and wants of our members. And
> as Daniel and Wes said, there is a lot of duplicates and
> items that do not need to be saved. I will be able to make
> culling recommendations to the LNC and to Wes and to carry
> those out.
> I expect
> these records will remain here for at least a few years. And
> I have a volunteer that drives cross country often, and I
> might be able to find someone to bring them back at little
> to no cost - the volume will be less in any event, even if
> we have to pay. And they could come back by common carrier
> as I will be able to have the volunteers to re-pack as
> necessary.
> I went
> quickly through a representative portion of the offsite
> storage. Everything I saw were items to be saved (in
> general, most certainly there is redundancy and culling and
> curating to do). It is interesting you mention the
> "so and so's desk" boxes... that is part of
> the problem. Who is ever going to go through that stuff?
> Wes thinks there might be minutes and other important items
> there, if not, I will straighten it out and solve that
> problem. And when I say "I" I don't mean I
> am super woman to do it all myself, but with a home base in
> CO, the birthplace, of the Party, and my volunteer
> connections in neighboring states, I can manage this
> properly, as a Chair should.
> In any event, it will be cheaper to
> come back after several years, in great shape with
> professional organization and of use to the Party and its
> members.
> -Caryn Ann
> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at
> 10:40 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> I have a bunch of commentary to add that I will
> take one at a time.
> Daniel,
> that is exactly what I was thinking. I think this
> Committee may find some auction items and may be able to put
> together a nice historical interest display, and you might
> want to consider having one of us speak.
> -Caryn Ann
> On Fri,
> Mar 24, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
> wrote:
> Us finally throwing away
> a bunch of sacred invoices and other magical papers and
> stuff we don't need was my motivation to sponsor . It
> might take 5 years to recoup but it is money we can
> save.
> Also,
> keep in mind that if we can monetize some of this stuff,
> even better. As Sam and a couple of others know, we are
> looking to hold a silent auction at convention in NOLA.
> Caryn Ann may find some things that we don't want to
> throw away but don't have space to display that a member
> might have interest in. I'd rather see us put some
> cash to the use this party exists for and allow a member to
> have some enjoyment instead of sticking it in a box on a
> shelf. One person's junk is another person's
> treasure.
>
> Daniel
> HayesLNC
> At Large Member
>
> Sent from my
> iPhone
> On Mar 24, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Wes Benedict
> <wes.benedict at lp.org>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Actually, if Caryn Ann does a good enough job, we
> should no
> longer need an off-site storage unit. The unit
> we're in now just
> went up to $248 per month starting in March 2018 (up
> about $20
> from February).
> William Redpath, can you calculate the Prevent Value
> of the
> saving of $248 per month in perpetuity?
>
>
> And if you can do that, can you then get a bit more
> precise by
> making the assumption the $248 per month spending
> won't stop for 2
> years?
>
>
> Thanks Bill, that'd be great.
>
>
>
> Wes
> Benedict, Executive Director
> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232,
> wes.benedict at lp.org
> facebook.com/libertarians
> @LPNational
> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
> On
> 3/24/2017 11:43 AM, Wes Benedict
> wrote:
>
>
> Around 300 boxes with the
> miscellaneous "slips of
> paper" have been shredded since 2013. I spent
> many days on that
> work myself doing a first and second pass through the
> mountain of
> junk in the cool, damp, rat-infested dungeon storage
> underneath
> the Watergate complex, and then doing 3rd and 4th
> passes at our
> storage units after moving the stuff to Alexandria. (I
> did not
> shred the stuff myself--just identified the boxes and
> then had a
> professional service handle it).
>
>
>
>
> I am not exaggerating about the rats. I do not recall
> finding dead
> rats in any boxes and did not necessarily see rats
> inside our
> particular unit, but there were dead dried out rat
> carcasses less
> than 20 feet outside the door to our unit and in the
> hallway
> leading up to our unit and inside adjacent units.
>
>
>
>
> In addition to things that have been shredded, I did
> not count the
> number of boxes of stuff that I threw away that did
> not need to be
> shredded. I also personally tore apart, dismantled,
> and sawed when
> necessary (with my personal Bosch circular saws and
> drill), large
> painted plywood structures that I think were used in
> the 2000 and
> 2004 national conventions (along with the wooden
> pallets).
>
>
>
>
> For a decade, it seemed, no one was willing to throw
> things away.
> I can't blame them. Who wants to throw something
> away when someone
> might complain later? Plus, it's easier to just
> box up an old
> employees stuff and push it aside rather than go
> through it and
> sort it all out. The result was valuable things were
> getting
> buried by old broken furniture and useless pieces of
> returned mail
> slips that had no value. Boxes of potentially valuable
> documents
> were getting crushed and split and were spilling in
> the damp
> basement of the Watergate. The basement of the
> Watergate obviously
> wasn't climate controlled and the storage
> facilities were down an
> underground hallway from the dumpsters for CVS and the
> grocery
> store Safeway, and just 200 yard crawl for rats from
> the shores of
> the Potomac. Grocery stores generate a lot of smelly
> garbage that
> attracts rats.
>
>
>
>
> For the most part, I did not go through many
> individual boxes and
> sort through individual pieces of stuff. I either kept
> the whole
> box, or through the whole box out (or shredded if
> necessary).
>
>
>
>
> We still have over a dozen 4-drawer file cabinets and
> maybe 100
> boxes of stuff that needs to be gone through more
> carefully. That
> takes a lot of time. When it's time to bring the
> stuff back from
> Colorado, I expect the content to be 15% of it's
> original size.
> That's because there is still stuff to throw away,
> and also, for
> things like fundraising letters that were sent in
> 1992--there are
> probably 5 or 10 copies of each.
>
>
>
>
> That stuff is getting older every day, but at least we
> now have it
> stored in a climate controlled storage unit in
> Alexandria, instead
> of the basement of the Watergate.
>
>
>
>
> I probably inadvertently threw some things out that
> we wished I
> hadn't, but I feel like my actions to jettison
> some garbage even
> if there was some collateral damage, was urgent, and
> necessary for
> the greater good of the documents that were saved, and
> because we
> needed space for our more recent documents.
>
>
>
>
> A few photos attached.
>
>
>
>
> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>
>
> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>
>
> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>
>
> (202) 333-0008 ext.
> 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
>
>
> facebook.com/libertarians
> @LPNational
>
>
> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>
>
>
>
> On 3/24/2017 4:43 AM, Alicia Mattson wrote:
>
>
> Having spent some time digging
> through
> these materials a few years ago, I know there are a
> LOT of boxes
> of old membership forms with hand-written signatures
> on the
> membership certification. I don't imagine
> those going online
> for the world to see, so why ship 50 boxes to
> Colorado and back?
>
>
>
>
> I don't recall a terribly high percentage of
> those files being
> things that are of historical value that would
> belong in an
> online archive. Some of it was, but much was
> not. Old invoices
> and vendor contracts. Miscellaneous contents of
> the desk
> drawers of former employees. Is there really
> enough historical
> material to fill a UHaul?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> In
> Liberty,Caryn Ann
> HarlosRegion 1
> Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado,
> Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.orgCommunications Director, Libertarian Party of
> ColoradoColorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party
> Radical Caucus Chair, LP Historical Preservation
> Committee
> A haiku to the Statement of
> Principles:We defend your
> rightsAnd oppose the use of
> forceTaxation is
> theft
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> In
> Liberty,Caryn Ann
> HarlosRegion 1
> Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado,
> Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.orgCommunications Director, Libertarian Party of
> ColoradoColorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party
> Radical Caucus Chair, LP Historical Preservation
> Committee
> A haiku to the Statement of
> Principles:We defend your
> rightsAnd oppose the use of
> forceTaxation is
> theft
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> In
> Liberty,Caryn Ann
> HarlosRegion 1
> Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado,
> Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.orgCommunications Director, Libertarian Party of
> ColoradoColorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party
> Radical Caucus Chair, LP Historical Preservation
> Committee
> A haiku to the Statement of
> Principles:We defend your
> rightsAnd oppose the use of
> forceTaxation is
> theft
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> In
> Liberty,Caryn Ann
> HarlosRegion 1
> Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado,
> Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.orgCommunications Director, Libertarian Party of
> ColoradoColorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party
> Radical Caucus Chair, LP Historical Preservation
> Committee
> A haiku to the Statement of
> Principles:We defend your
> rightsAnd oppose the use of
> forceTaxation is
> theft
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> In
> Liberty,Caryn Ann
> HarlosRegion 1
> Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado,
> Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.orgCommunications Director, Libertarian Party of
> ColoradoColorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party
> Radical Caucus Chair, LP Historical Preservation
> Committee
> A haiku to the Statement of
> Principles:We defend your
> rightsAnd oppose the use of
> forceTaxation is
> theft
>
>
>
>
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*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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