[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-06: Move Archive Records to CO
Alicia Mattson
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Sun Mar 26 17:36:27 EDT 2017
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-Alicia
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From: William Redpath <wredpath2 at yahoo.com>
To: William Redpath <wredpath2 at yahoo.com>, Libertarian National Committee
list <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 20:10:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Lnc-business] ***SPAM*** Re: Email Ballot 2017-06: Move Archive
Records to CO
This is not a budget meeting. There should be plenty of time in Pittsburgh
to deal with this issue. Bill
On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 12:37 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com
> wrote:
> Bill, I try to get things done that can be done ahead of time to leave
> time for other in-depth discussions. We always seem to not have enough
> time.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:53 AM, William Redpath <wredpath2 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The Pittsburgh LNC meeting is only three weeks away. Can't we discuss
>> all this in person there, and then vote? Bill Redpath
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Fri, 3/24/17, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-06: Move Archive Records
>> to CO
>> To: "Libertarian National Committee list" <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>> Date: Friday, March 24, 2017, 1:00 PM
>>
>> Okay I
>> think I answered everyone's post. I will say the one
>> thing I said when I was looking at taking five years to get
>> a two year degree because I waited until I was out on my own
>> to go to school. Five years will come no matter what.
>> The only question is where I will be when they do.
>> Similarly, the years will pass here. Do we want a pile of
>> unorganized stuff in two years or do we want to take
>> advantage of this opportunity (that may in fact be very low
>> costs because Wes will do a few fundraising emails for it,
>> and I have committed some money).
>> - Caryn Ann
>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at
>> 10:58 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> Wes, I cannot promise we will not need an offsite
>> storage any longer, for instance there are a few items to
>> add to the historical collection (Nolan's widow has his
>> personal correspondences and some early Party stuff I am
>> securing), but it will certainly be compact and lean and
>> useable. While I am passionate about Party history, I am
>> not sentimental to the extent of "OMG The Nolan may
>> have this touched This Piece of Paper, it Must Be
>> Saved!" but any culling decisions will be brought to
>> the LNC, and you will have thorough
>> recommendations.
>> I also
>> think we can use this project as a means of
>> "touch" to the members to garner some
>> excitement. Whether one thinks my interest is silly (as
>> some do), there is no doubt, that I am infectious with
>> it.
>> - Caryn Ann
>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at
>> 10:55 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> Starchild, thank you for your trust in me. So
>> far I believe I have demonstrated it - I *could* have easily
>> spent up to a thousand dollars already but I have sought
>> volunteers with skills to do professional scanning and as
>> long as I can tap into those (and not burn out their time),
>> I will do so. I treat OPP very seriously. I have also
>> committed to being completely transparent and forthcoming
>> with monetary decisions (and we have a public committee
>> discussion list) and accountable to members. There have
>> been some minimal costs that I have gotten donated. And
>> that will be the case whenever I can - and it is in the best
>> interest of the project (i.e. volunteer work has to be of
>> the quality we need - a home scanner will not do when we
>> need a professional scan job, but fortunately I have a
>> volunteer with access to the genealogical scanner used by
>> the LDS church- PRO!).
>> - Caryn Ann
>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at
>> 10:51 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> Alicia,
>> The issue of common carrier versus
>> U-Haul is something I discussed with Wes. In order to pack
>> things up so that it can be transported would take staff
>> time. And Wes wants to send the shelving, and just send
>> things "as is" and let me straighten it up. With
>> the U-Haul it can just be put in and sent with no re-packing
>> needed.
>> As far as
>> whether or not everything can be organized and scanned
>> before the end of next term, there are several issues there.
>> First, the committee itself. While this committee ends at
>> that time, it is my intention to prove its value, have a
>> good working model, and move for a permanent historical
>> committee next year. In any event, LPedia must be
>> maintained, and I expect the LNC will appoint a new
>> committee- and if I am not on the LNC, I will apply to be on
>> the committee. Even if not, I will continue my volunteer
>> work. I think Starchild covered this well. As far as
>> goals, I am very sober-minded as to our goals. I
>> absolutely do not expect (nor is there budget for, though I
>> am doing pretty well at finding no-cost volunteers) the
>> entire archives to be scanned by the end of this term. I
>> do realistically expect it to be organized and inventoried
>> and the most critical items uploaded. And with the
>> organization, the next committee will be able to continue to
>> prioritize until it is done. Without the organization, I
>> cannot wisely spend the initial budget on the most critical
>> and most general interest items. While I might be in
>> rapturous delight over a handwritten note by Gary Nolan on
>> the back of a memo, our membership is more interested in
>> news items. training items, press releases, and minutes. I
>> am prioritizing to the needs and wants of our members. And
>> as Daniel and Wes said, there is a lot of duplicates and
>> items that do not need to be saved. I will be able to make
>> culling recommendations to the LNC and to Wes and to carry
>> those out.
>> I expect
>> these records will remain here for at least a few years. And
>> I have a volunteer that drives cross country often, and I
>> might be able to find someone to bring them back at little
>> to no cost - the volume will be less in any event, even if
>> we have to pay. And they could come back by common carrier
>> as I will be able to have the volunteers to re-pack as
>> necessary.
>> I went
>> quickly through a representative portion of the offsite
>> storage. Everything I saw were items to be saved (in
>> general, most certainly there is redundancy and culling and
>> curating to do). It is interesting you mention the
>> "so and so's desk" boxes... that is part of
>> the problem. Who is ever going to go through that stuff?
>> Wes thinks there might be minutes and other important items
>> there, if not, I will straighten it out and solve that
>> problem. And when I say "I" I don't mean I
>> am super woman to do it all myself, but with a home base in
>> CO, the birthplace, of the Party, and my volunteer
>> connections in neighboring states, I can manage this
>> properly, as a Chair should.
>> In any event, it will be cheaper to
>> come back after several years, in great shape with
>> professional organization and of use to the Party and its
>> members.
>> -Caryn Ann
>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at
>> 10:40 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> I have a bunch of commentary to add that I will
>> take one at a time.
>> Daniel,
>> that is exactly what I was thinking. I think this
>> Committee may find some auction items and may be able to put
>> together a nice historical interest display, and you might
>> want to consider having one of us speak.
>> -Caryn Ann
>> On Fri,
>> Mar 24, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
>> wrote:
>> Us finally throwing away
>> a bunch of sacred invoices and other magical papers and
>> stuff we don't need was my motivation to sponsor . It
>> might take 5 years to recoup but it is money we can
>> save.
>> Also,
>> keep in mind that if we can monetize some of this stuff,
>> even better. As Sam and a couple of others know, we are
>> looking to hold a silent auction at convention in NOLA.
>> Caryn Ann may find some things that we don't want to
>> throw away but don't have space to display that a member
>> might have interest in. I'd rather see us put some
>> cash to the use this party exists for and allow a member to
>> have some enjoyment instead of sticking it in a box on a
>> shelf. One person's junk is another person's
>> treasure.
>>
>> Daniel
>> HayesLNC
>> At Large Member
>>
>> Sent from my
>> iPhone
>> On Mar 24, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Wes Benedict
>> <wes.benedict at lp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Actually, if Caryn Ann does a good enough job, we
>> should no
>> longer need an off-site storage unit. The unit
>> we're in now just
>> went up to $248 per month starting in March 2018 (up
>> about $20
>> from February).
>> William Redpath, can you calculate the Prevent Value
>> of the
>> saving of $248 per month in perpetuity?
>>
>>
>> And if you can do that, can you then get a bit more
>> precise by
>> making the assumption the $248 per month spending
>> won't stop for 2
>> years?
>>
>>
>> Thanks Bill, that'd be great.
>>
>>
>>
>> Wes
>> Benedict, Executive Director
>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>> (202) 333-0008 ext. 232,
>> wes.benedict at lp.org
>> facebook.com/libertarians
>> @LPNational
>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>> On
>> 3/24/2017 11:43 AM, Wes Benedict
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Around 300 boxes with the
>> miscellaneous "slips of
>> paper" have been shredded since 2013. I spent
>> many days on that
>> work myself doing a first and second pass through the
>> mountain of
>> junk in the cool, damp, rat-infested dungeon storage
>> underneath
>> the Watergate complex, and then doing 3rd and 4th
>> passes at our
>> storage units after moving the stuff to Alexandria. (I
>> did not
>> shred the stuff myself--just identified the boxes and
>> then had a
>> professional service handle it).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I am not exaggerating about the rats. I do not recall
>> finding dead
>> rats in any boxes and did not necessarily see rats
>> inside our
>> particular unit, but there were dead dried out rat
>> carcasses less
>> than 20 feet outside the door to our unit and in the
>> hallway
>> leading up to our unit and inside adjacent units.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In addition to things that have been shredded, I did
>> not count the
>> number of boxes of stuff that I threw away that did
>> not need to be
>> shredded. I also personally tore apart, dismantled,
>> and sawed when
>> necessary (with my personal Bosch circular saws and
>> drill), large
>> painted plywood structures that I think were used in
>> the 2000 and
>> 2004 national conventions (along with the wooden
>> pallets).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> For a decade, it seemed, no one was willing to throw
>> things away.
>> I can't blame them. Who wants to throw something
>> away when someone
>> might complain later? Plus, it's easier to just
>> box up an old
>> employees stuff and push it aside rather than go
>> through it and
>> sort it all out. The result was valuable things were
>> getting
>> buried by old broken furniture and useless pieces of
>> returned mail
>> slips that had no value. Boxes of potentially valuable
>> documents
>> were getting crushed and split and were spilling in
>> the damp
>> basement of the Watergate. The basement of the
>> Watergate obviously
>> wasn't climate controlled and the storage
>> facilities were down an
>> underground hallway from the dumpsters for CVS and the
>> grocery
>> store Safeway, and just 200 yard crawl for rats from
>> the shores of
>> the Potomac. Grocery stores generate a lot of smelly
>> garbage that
>> attracts rats.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> For the most part, I did not go through many
>> individual boxes and
>> sort through individual pieces of stuff. I either kept
>> the whole
>> box, or through the whole box out (or shredded if
>> necessary).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> We still have over a dozen 4-drawer file cabinets and
>> maybe 100
>> boxes of stuff that needs to be gone through more
>> carefully. That
>> takes a lot of time. When it's time to bring the
>> stuff back from
>> Colorado, I expect the content to be 15% of it's
>> original size.
>> That's because there is still stuff to throw away,
>> and also, for
>> things like fundraising letters that were sent in
>> 1992--there are
>> probably 5 or 10 copies of each.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> That stuff is getting older every day, but at least we
>> now have it
>> stored in a climate controlled storage unit in
>> Alexandria, instead
>> of the basement of the Watergate.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I probably inadvertently threw some things out that
>> we wished I
>> hadn't, but I feel like my actions to jettison
>> some garbage even
>> if there was some collateral damage, was urgent, and
>> necessary for
>> the greater good of the documents that were saved, and
>> because we
>> needed space for our more recent documents.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> A few photos attached.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>
>>
>> Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>
>>
>> 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>>
>>
>> (202) 333-0008 ext.
>> 232, wes.benedict at lp.org
>>
>>
>> facebook.com/libertarians
>> @LPNational
>>
>>
>> Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/24/2017 4:43 AM, Alicia Mattson wrote:
>>
>>
>> Having spent some time digging
>> through
>> these materials a few years ago, I know there are a
>> LOT of boxes
>> of old membership forms with hand-written signatures
>> on the
>> membership certification. I don't imagine
>> those going online
>> for the world to see, so why ship 50 boxes to
>> Colorado and back?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't recall a terribly high percentage of
>> those files being
>> things that are of historical value that would
>> belong in an
>> online archive. Some of it was, but much was
>> not. Old invoices
>> and vendor contracts. Miscellaneous contents of
>> the desk
>> drawers of former employees. Is there really
>> enough historical
>> material to fill a UHaul?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> --
>> In
>> Liberty,Caryn Ann
>> HarlosRegion 1
>> Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
>> Colorado,
>> Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.orgCommunications Director, Libertarian Party of
>> ColoradoColorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party
>> Radical Caucus Chair, LP Historical Preservation
>> Committee
>> A haiku to the Statement of
>> Principles:We defend your
>> rightsAnd oppose the use of
>> forceTaxation is
>> theft
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> In
>> Liberty,Caryn Ann
>> HarlosRegion 1
>> Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
>> Colorado,
>> Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.orgCommunications Director, Libertarian Party of
>> ColoradoColorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party
>> Radical Caucus Chair, LP Historical Preservation
>> Committee
>> A haiku to the Statement of
>> Principles:We defend your
>> rightsAnd oppose the use of
>> forceTaxation is
>> theft
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> In
>> Liberty,Caryn Ann
>> HarlosRegion 1
>> Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
>> Colorado,
>> Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.orgCommunications Director, Libertarian Party of
>> ColoradoColorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party
>> Radical Caucus Chair, LP Historical Preservation
>> Committee
>> A haiku to the Statement of
>> Principles:We defend your
>> rightsAnd oppose the use of
>> forceTaxation is
>> theft
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> In
>> Liberty,Caryn Ann
>> HarlosRegion 1
>> Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
>> Colorado,
>> Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.orgCommunications Director, Libertarian Party of
>> ColoradoColorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party
>> Radical Caucus Chair, LP Historical Preservation
>> Committee
>> A haiku to the Statement of
>> Principles:We defend your
>> rightsAnd oppose the use of
>> forceTaxation is
>> theft
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> In
>> Liberty,Caryn Ann
>> HarlosRegion 1
>> Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
>> Colorado,
>> Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.orgCommunications Director, Libertarian Party of
>> ColoradoColorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party
>> Radical Caucus Chair, LP Historical Preservation
>> Committee
>> A haiku to the Statement of
>> Principles:We defend your
>> rightsAnd oppose the use of
>> forceTaxation is
>> theft
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>
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> *And oppose the use of force*
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