[Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-06: Move Archive Records to CO

Alicia Mattson agmattson at gmail.com
Sun Mar 26 17:36:27 EDT 2017


Our email list didn't like the message below which Bill Redpath attempted
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-Alicia

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From: William Redpath <wredpath2 at yahoo.com>
To: William Redpath <wredpath2 at yahoo.com>, Libertarian National Committee
list <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 20:10:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Lnc-business] ***SPAM*** Re: Email Ballot 2017-06: Move Archive
Records to CO
This is not a budget meeting.  There should be plenty of time in Pittsburgh
to deal with this issue.  Bill



On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 12:37 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Bill, I try to get things done that can be done ahead of time to leave
> time for other in-depth discussions.  We always seem to not have enough
> time.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:53 AM, William Redpath <wredpath2 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The Pittsburgh LNC meeting is only three weeks away.  Can't we discuss
>> all this in person there, and then vote?  Bill Redpath
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Fri, 3/24/17, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-06: Move Archive Records
>> to CO
>>  To: "Libertarian National Committee list" <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>>  Date: Friday, March 24, 2017, 1:00 PM
>>
>>  Okay I
>>  think I answered everyone's post.  I will say the one
>>  thing I said when I was looking at taking five years to get
>>  a two year degree because I waited until I was out on my own
>>  to go to school.  Five years will come no matter what.
>>  The only question is where I will be when they do.
>>  Similarly, the years will pass here.  Do we want a pile of
>>  unorganized stuff in two years or do we want to take
>>  advantage of this opportunity (that may in fact be very low
>>  costs because Wes will do a few fundraising emails for it,
>>  and I have committed some money).
>>  - Caryn Ann
>>  On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at
>>  10:58 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>>  wrote:
>>  Wes, I cannot promise we will not need an offsite
>>  storage any longer, for instance there are a few items to
>>  add to the historical collection (Nolan's widow has his
>>  personal correspondences and some early Party stuff I am
>>  securing), but it will certainly be compact and lean and
>>  useable.  While I am passionate about Party history, I am
>>  not sentimental to the extent of "OMG The Nolan may
>>  have this touched This Piece of Paper, it Must Be
>>  Saved!" but any culling decisions will be brought to
>>  the LNC, and you will have thorough
>>  recommendations.
>>  I also
>>  think we can use this project as a means of
>>  "touch" to the members to garner some
>>  excitement.  Whether one thinks my interest is silly (as
>>  some do), there is no doubt, that I am infectious with
>>  it.
>>  - Caryn Ann
>>  On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at
>>  10:55 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>>  wrote:
>>  Starchild, thank you for your trust in me.  So
>>  far I believe I have demonstrated it - I *could* have easily
>>  spent up to a thousand dollars already but I have sought
>>  volunteers with skills to do professional scanning and as
>>  long as I can tap into those (and not burn out their time),
>>  I will do so.  I  treat OPP very seriously.  I have also
>>  committed to being completely transparent and forthcoming
>>  with monetary decisions (and we have a public committee
>>  discussion list) and accountable to members.  There have
>>  been some minimal costs that I have gotten donated.  And
>>  that will be the case whenever I can - and it is in the best
>>  interest of the project (i.e. volunteer work has to be of
>>  the quality we need - a home scanner will not do when we
>>  need a professional scan job, but fortunately I have a
>>  volunteer with access to the genealogical scanner used by
>>  the LDS church- PRO!).
>>  - Caryn Ann
>>  On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at
>>  10:51 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>>  wrote:
>>  Alicia,
>>  The issue of common carrier versus
>>  U-Haul is something I discussed with Wes.  In order to pack
>>  things up so that it can be transported would take staff
>>  time.  And Wes wants to send the shelving, and just send
>>  things "as is" and let me straighten it up.  With
>>  the U-Haul it can just be put in and sent with no re-packing
>>  needed.
>>  As far as
>>  whether or not everything can be organized and scanned
>>  before the end of next term, there are several issues there.
>>  First, the committee itself. While this committee ends at
>>  that time, it is my intention to prove its value, have a
>>  good working model, and move for a permanent historical
>>  committee next year.  In any event, LPedia must be
>>  maintained, and I expect the LNC will appoint a new
>>  committee- and if I am not on the LNC, I will apply to be on
>>  the committee.  Even if not, I will continue my volunteer
>>  work.  I think Starchild covered this well.  As far as
>>  goals, I am very sober-minded as to our goals.  I
>>  absolutely do not expect (nor is there budget for, though I
>>  am doing pretty well at finding no-cost volunteers) the
>>  entire archives to be scanned by the end of this term.  I
>>  do realistically expect it to be organized and inventoried
>>  and the most critical items uploaded. And with the
>>  organization, the next committee will be able to continue to
>>  prioritize until it is done.  Without the organization, I
>>  cannot wisely spend the initial budget on the most critical
>>  and most  general interest items. While I might be in
>>  rapturous delight over a handwritten note by Gary Nolan on
>>  the back of a memo, our membership is more interested in
>>  news items. training items, press releases, and minutes.  I
>>  am prioritizing to the needs and wants of our members.  And
>>  as Daniel and Wes said, there is a lot of duplicates and
>>  items that do not need to be saved.  I will be able to make
>>  culling recommendations to the LNC and to Wes and to carry
>>  those out.
>>  I expect
>>  these records will remain here for at least a few years. And
>>  I have a volunteer that drives cross country often, and I
>>  might be able to find someone to bring them back at little
>>  to no cost - the volume will be less in any event, even if
>>  we have to pay.  And they could come back by common carrier
>>  as I will be able to have the volunteers to re-pack as
>>  necessary.
>>  I went
>>  quickly through a representative portion of the offsite
>>  storage. Everything I saw were items to be saved (in
>>  general, most certainly there is redundancy and culling and
>>  curating to do).  It is interesting you mention the
>>  "so and so's desk" boxes... that is part of
>>  the problem. Who is ever going to go through that stuff?
>>  Wes thinks there might be minutes and other important items
>>  there, if not, I will straighten it out and solve that
>>  problem.  And when I say "I" I don't mean I
>>  am super woman to do it all myself, but with a home base in
>>  CO, the birthplace, of the Party, and my volunteer
>>  connections in neighboring states, I can manage this
>>  properly, as a Chair should.
>>  In any event, it will be cheaper to
>>  come back after several years, in great shape with
>>  professional organization and of use to the Party and its
>>  members.
>>  -Caryn Ann
>>  On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at
>>  10:40 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>>  wrote:
>>  I have a bunch of commentary to add that I will
>>  take one at a time.
>>  Daniel,
>>  that is exactly what I was thinking.  I think this
>>  Committee may find some auction items and may be able to put
>>  together a nice historical interest display, and you might
>>  want to consider having one of us speak.
>>  -Caryn Ann
>>  On Fri,
>>  Mar 24, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
>>  wrote:
>>  Us finally throwing away
>>  a bunch of sacred invoices and other magical papers and
>>  stuff we don't need was my motivation to sponsor .  It
>>  might take 5 years to recoup but it is money we can
>>  save.
>>  Also,
>>  keep in mind that if we can monetize some of this stuff,
>>  even better.  As Sam and a couple of others know, we are
>>  looking to hold a silent auction at convention in NOLA.
>>  Caryn Ann may find some things that we don't want to
>>  throw away but don't have space to display that a member
>>  might have interest in.  I'd rather see us put some
>>  cash to the use this party exists for and allow a member to
>>  have some enjoyment instead of sticking it in a box on a
>>  shelf.  One person's junk is another person's
>>  treasure.
>>
>>  Daniel
>>  HayesLNC
>>  At Large Member
>>
>>  Sent from my
>>  iPhone
>>  On Mar 24, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Wes Benedict
>>  <wes.benedict at lp.org>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>      Actually, if Caryn Ann does a good enough job, we
>>  should no
>>        longer need an off-site storage unit. The unit
>>  we're in now just
>>        went up to $248 per month starting in March 2018 (up
>>  about $20
>>        from February).
>>      William Redpath, can you calculate the Prevent Value
>>  of the
>>        saving of $248 per month in perpetuity?
>>
>>
>>      And if you can do that, can you then get a bit more
>>  precise by
>>        making the assumption the $248 per month spending
>>  won't stop for 2
>>        years?
>>
>>
>>      Thanks Bill, that'd be great.
>>
>>
>>
>>      Wes
>>  Benedict, Executive Director
>>  Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>  1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>>  (202) 333-0008 ext. 232,
>>  wes.benedict at lp.org
>>  facebook.com/libertarians
>>  @LPNational
>>  Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>      On
>>  3/24/2017 11:43 AM, Wes Benedict
>>        wrote:
>>
>>
>>      Around 300 boxes with the
>>  miscellaneous "slips of
>>        paper" have been shredded since 2013. I spent
>>  many days on that
>>        work myself doing a first and second pass through the
>>  mountain of
>>        junk in the cool, damp, rat-infested dungeon storage
>>  underneath
>>        the Watergate complex, and then doing 3rd and 4th
>>  passes at our
>>        storage units after moving the stuff to Alexandria. (I
>>  did not
>>        shred the stuff myself--just identified the boxes and
>>  then had a
>>        professional service handle it).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>        I am not exaggerating about the rats. I do not recall
>>  finding dead
>>        rats in any boxes and did not necessarily see rats
>>  inside our
>>        particular unit, but there were dead dried out rat
>>  carcasses less
>>        than 20 feet outside the door to our unit and in the
>>  hallway
>>        leading up to our unit and inside adjacent units.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>        In addition to things that have been shredded, I did
>>  not count the
>>        number of boxes of stuff that I threw away that did
>>  not need to be
>>        shredded. I also personally tore apart, dismantled,
>>  and sawed when
>>        necessary (with my personal Bosch circular saws and
>>  drill), large
>>        painted plywood structures that I think were used in
>>  the 2000 and
>>        2004 national conventions (along with the wooden
>>  pallets).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>        For a decade, it seemed, no one was willing to throw
>>  things away.
>>        I can't blame them. Who wants to throw something
>>  away when someone
>>        might complain later? Plus, it's easier to just
>>  box up an old
>>        employees stuff and push it aside rather than go
>>  through it and
>>        sort it all out.  The result was valuable things were
>>  getting
>>        buried by old broken furniture and useless pieces of
>>  returned mail
>>        slips that had no value. Boxes of potentially valuable
>>  documents
>>        were getting crushed and split and were spilling in
>>  the damp
>>        basement of the Watergate. The basement of the
>>  Watergate obviously
>>        wasn't climate controlled and the storage
>>  facilities were down an
>>        underground hallway from the dumpsters for CVS and the
>>  grocery
>>        store Safeway, and just 200 yard crawl for rats from
>>  the shores of
>>        the Potomac. Grocery stores generate a lot of smelly
>>  garbage that
>>        attracts rats.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>        For the most part, I did not go through many
>>  individual boxes and
>>        sort through individual pieces of stuff. I either kept
>>  the whole
>>        box, or through the whole box out (or shredded if
>>  necessary).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>        We still have over a dozen 4-drawer file cabinets and
>>  maybe 100
>>        boxes of stuff that needs to be gone through more
>>  carefully. That
>>        takes a lot of time. When it's time to bring the
>>  stuff back from
>>        Colorado, I expect the content to be 15% of it's
>>  original size.
>>        That's because there is still stuff to throw away,
>>  and also, for
>>        things like fundraising letters that were sent in
>>  1992--there are
>>        probably 5 or 10 copies of each.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>        That stuff is getting older every day, but at least we
>>  now have it
>>        stored in a climate controlled storage unit in
>>  Alexandria, instead
>>        of the basement of the Watergate.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>        I probably inadvertently  threw some things out that
>>  we wished I
>>        hadn't, but I feel like my actions to jettison
>>  some garbage even
>>        if there was some collateral damage, was urgent, and
>>  necessary for
>>        the greater good of the documents that were saved, and
>>  because we
>>        needed space for our more recent documents.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>        A few photos attached.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>        Wes Benedict, Executive Director
>>
>>
>>        Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
>>
>>
>>        1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
>>
>>
>>        (202) 333-0008 ext.
>>  232, wes.benedict at lp.org
>>
>>
>>        facebook.com/libertarians
>>  @LPNational
>>
>>
>>        Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>        On 3/24/2017 4:43 AM, Alicia Mattson wrote:
>>
>>
>>        Having spent some time digging
>>  through
>>          these materials a few years ago, I know there are a
>>  LOT of boxes
>>          of old membership forms with hand-written signatures
>>  on the
>>          membership certification.  I don't imagine
>>  those going online
>>          for the world to see, so why ship 50 boxes to
>>  Colorado and back?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>          I don't recall a terribly high percentage of
>>  those files being
>>          things that are of historical value that would
>>  belong in an
>>          online archive.  Some of it was, but much was
>>  not.  Old invoices
>>          and vendor contracts.  Miscellaneous contents of
>>  the desk
>>          drawers of former employees.  Is there really
>>  enough historical
>>          material to fill a UHaul?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>  Liberty,Caryn Ann
>>  HarlosRegion 1
>>  Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
>> Colorado,
>>  Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>  Harlos at LP.orgCommunications Director, Libertarian Party of
>>  ColoradoColorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party
>>  Radical Caucus Chair, LP Historical Preservation
>>  Committee
>>  A haiku to the Statement of
>>  Principles:We defend your
>>  rightsAnd oppose the use of
>>  forceTaxation is
>>  theft
>>
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>>  --
>>  In
>>  Liberty,Caryn Ann
>>  HarlosRegion 1
>>  Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
>> Colorado,
>>  Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>  Harlos at LP.orgCommunications Director, Libertarian Party of
>>  ColoradoColorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party
>>  Radical Caucus Chair, LP Historical Preservation
>>  Committee
>>  A haiku to the Statement of
>>  Principles:We defend your
>>  rightsAnd oppose the use of
>>  forceTaxation is
>>  theft
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  --
>>  In
>>  Liberty,Caryn Ann
>>  HarlosRegion 1
>>  Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
>> Colorado,
>>  Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>  Harlos at LP.orgCommunications Director, Libertarian Party of
>>  ColoradoColorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party
>>  Radical Caucus Chair, LP Historical Preservation
>>  Committee
>>  A haiku to the Statement of
>>  Principles:We defend your
>>  rightsAnd oppose the use of
>>  forceTaxation is
>>  theft
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  --
>>  In
>>  Liberty,Caryn Ann
>>  HarlosRegion 1
>>  Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
>> Colorado,
>>  Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>  Harlos at LP.orgCommunications Director, Libertarian Party of
>>  ColoradoColorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party
>>  Radical Caucus Chair, LP Historical Preservation
>>  Committee
>>  A haiku to the Statement of
>>  Principles:We defend your
>>  rightsAnd oppose the use of
>>  forceTaxation is
>>  theft
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  --
>>  In
>>  Liberty,Caryn Ann
>>  HarlosRegion 1
>>  Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
>> Colorado,
>>  Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>  Harlos at LP.orgCommunications Director, Libertarian Party of
>>  ColoradoColorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party
>>  Radical Caucus Chair, LP Historical Preservation
>>  Committee
>>  A haiku to the Statement of
>>  Principles:We defend your
>>  rightsAnd oppose the use of
>>  forceTaxation is
>>  theft
>>
>>
>>
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> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
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> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
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