[Lnc-business] Who the hell thought this was a good idea?

Ken Moellman lpky at mu-net.org
Fri Apr 14 00:59:28 EDT 2017 

And I've now seen people in various leadership positions in the party
stepping down and resigning from the LP over it, too.


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 12:28 AM, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org> wrote:

> I'm also being told that our illustrious FB staffers are/were still
> defending the post in private messages to people who complained to the page
> via private message.  Just FYI.
>
> It's time to reel this in.
>
> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 12:27 AM, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org> wrote:
>
>> Best comment I've found on all of this was on Twitter:  "It's PR blunder
>> week and the LP didn't want to be left out!"
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 11:29 PM, Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> How does someone in the FB design group, or whatever it is called, have
>>> the authority to remove someone else? Who has that authority?
>>>
>>> Whose group is it, actually?
>>>
>>> On Apr 13, 2017 10:11 PM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Patrick you were told incorrectly about the branding issue- it is more
>>> nuanced than that.
>>>
>>> I would be more than glad to discuss in person - not too much time
>>> tonight.
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:08 PM Patrick McKnight <
>>> patrick.joseph.mcknight at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've been posting to the facebook site for almost a year and I still
>>>> don't know what the rules are. I have even less understanding about how the
>>>> design team works (and apparently I was removed from that group.)
>>>>
>>>> If all posts are to be branded and approved in advance why would we
>>>> still need all these different people posting?
>>>>
>>>> How many people are currently posting and how do they get approved to
>>>> join the page? How many people are designing content and who is in charge
>>>> of that?
>>>>
>>>> I suspect that, as usual, we are making things too complicated and have
>>>> too little delegation of specific responsibilities. I would like to think
>>>> incidents like these would underscore the fact we have a serious
>>>> communication and marketing problem in our organization.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Patrick McKnight
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 10:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There is an excellent idea in there that I am thinking on with at
>>>>> least the branded memes.  I know they are uploaded to a shared folder -
>>>>> memes should first be uploaded into a "to be reviewed" folder and then
>>>>> released from there.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 8:41 PM, Patrick McKnight <
>>>>> patrick.joseph.mcknight at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we need to examine our social media policies, or the lack
>>>>>> thereof. I see two issues:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. There are no clear rules and APRC doesn't seem to be able to keep
>>>>>> up with reviewing content.
>>>>>> 2. It seems like we have a larger number of different people posting
>>>>>> than in the past. Who approves new admins?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would suggest two courses of action:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Reduce the number of posts. Quality is more important than
>>>>>> quantity. This will also make it easier for APRC to review.
>>>>>> 2. Establish some sort of reliable quality control process. For
>>>>>> example, I was told a few months ago we were only supposed to use branded
>>>>>> posts. Then why not have APRC review the content as it's created instead of
>>>>>> waiting for it to be posted?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Patrick McKnight
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 10:24 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am reaching out to Chris.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ken, I was just giving a point of information over it.  I look
>>>>>>>> forward to speaking with you in person.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I lost a committee member over it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/ChristopherSThrasher/videos/1010110
>>>>>>>>> 1465082209/?notif_t=live_video&notif_id=1492129680368260
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:28 PM, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, the post was deleted, 6 or 7 hours after it was posted.
>>>>>>>>>> Damage is done.  Now, how do we prevent such problems in the future?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:14 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> FYI the post has been deleted.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> - Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We obviously need to change the policy about the FB page. There
>>>>>>>>>>>> is way too much crap being posted in our name. This is not the first
>>>>>>>>>>>> instance, and without action it will not be the last. These types of posts
>>>>>>>>>>>> being made in OUR name do harm to the party, and make a mockery of the work
>>>>>>>>>>>> that every contributor is making to satisfy someone's personal grind.  I
>>>>>>>>>>>> hope that in lieu of APRC reeling in these posts, a motion will be made by
>>>>>>>>>>>> the LNC to require it.  Please, no more trolling or sh*tposting on the FB
>>>>>>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joshua is correct - FB is an unusual situation and is more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> difficult to review.  I think with the upcoming meeting that each of us has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not reviewed as much as we normally do.  That is certainly true with me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 5:42 PM, Joshua Katz <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The APRC handles FB posts.  We check the scheduled items.  I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> admit that I have not done so very often in the last few weeks.  But, as I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> often do, I'd also remind the LNC that the APRC is given only a limited
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jurisdiction.  Also, the process for FB is different than that for staff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> items - staff items are presented and need to receive affirmative
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approvals, whereas FB items are not presented in the same way and do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need affirmative approvals.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Whitney Bilyeu <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whitneycb76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does APRC handle these FB posts, too?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2017 6:07 PM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I honestly did not see this but I have been swamped with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work and travel the past few weeks.  I would have disallowed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Ken Moellman <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lpky at mu-net.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What in the Hell (pun intended) is with this post?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/liber
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tarians/photos/a.1015012612115
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7726.302978.5978057725/10155188096782726/?type=3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who seriously thought this was a good idea?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caucus <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
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>>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>
>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> *We defend your rights*
>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
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