[Lnc-business] Who the hell thought this was a good idea?

Patrick McKnight patrick.joseph.mcknight at gmail.com
Fri Apr 14 07:51:17 EDT 2017 

The silver lining is this makes clear some of us have known for a while,
our social media operations are a complete mess and need to be addressed.

Thanks,
Patrick McKnight

On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 12:59 AM, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org> wrote:

> And I've now seen people in various leadership positions in the party
> stepping down and resigning from the LP over it, too.
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 12:28 AM, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org> wrote:
>
>> I'm also being told that our illustrious FB staffers are/were still
>> defending the post in private messages to people who complained to the page
>> via private message.  Just FYI.
>>
>> It's time to reel this in.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 12:27 AM, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Best comment I've found on all of this was on Twitter:  "It's PR blunder
>>> week and the LP didn't want to be left out!"
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 11:29 PM, Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How does someone in the FB design group, or whatever it is called, have
>>>> the authority to remove someone else? Who has that authority?
>>>>
>>>> Whose group is it, actually?
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 13, 2017 10:11 PM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Patrick you were told incorrectly about the branding issue- it is more
>>>> nuanced than that.
>>>>
>>>> I would be more than glad to discuss in person - not too much time
>>>> tonight.
>>>>
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:08 PM Patrick McKnight <
>>>> patrick.joseph.mcknight at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've been posting to the facebook site for almost a year and I still
>>>>> don't know what the rules are. I have even less understanding about how the
>>>>> design team works (and apparently I was removed from that group.)
>>>>>
>>>>> If all posts are to be branded and approved in advance why would we
>>>>> still need all these different people posting?
>>>>>
>>>>> How many people are currently posting and how do they get approved to
>>>>> join the page? How many people are designing content and who is in charge
>>>>> of that?
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect that, as usual, we are making things too complicated and
>>>>> have too little delegation of specific responsibilities. I would like to
>>>>> think incidents like these would underscore the fact we have a serious
>>>>> communication and marketing problem in our organization.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Patrick McKnight
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 10:53 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There is an excellent idea in there that I am thinking on with at
>>>>>> least the branded memes.  I know they are uploaded to a shared folder -
>>>>>> memes should first be uploaded into a "to be reviewed" folder and then
>>>>>> released from there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 8:41 PM, Patrick McKnight <
>>>>>> patrick.joseph.mcknight at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think we need to examine our social media policies, or the lack
>>>>>>> thereof. I see two issues:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. There are no clear rules and APRC doesn't seem to be able to keep
>>>>>>> up with reviewing content.
>>>>>>> 2. It seems like we have a larger number of different people posting
>>>>>>> than in the past. Who approves new admins?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would suggest two courses of action:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Reduce the number of posts. Quality is more important than
>>>>>>> quantity. This will also make it easier for APRC to review.
>>>>>>> 2. Establish some sort of reliable quality control process. For
>>>>>>> example, I was told a few months ago we were only supposed to use branded
>>>>>>> posts. Then why not have APRC review the content as it's created instead of
>>>>>>> waiting for it to be posted?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Patrick McKnight
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 10:24 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am reaching out to Chris.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ken, I was just giving a point of information over it.  I look
>>>>>>>>> forward to speaking with you in person.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I lost a committee member over it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/ChristopherSThrasher/videos/1010110
>>>>>>>>>> 1465082209/?notif_t=live_video&notif_id=1492129680368260
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:28 PM, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, the post was deleted, 6 or 7 hours after it was posted.
>>>>>>>>>>> Damage is done.  Now, how do we prevent such problems in the future?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:14 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> FYI the post has been deleted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We obviously need to change the policy about the FB page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is way too much crap being posted in our name. This is not the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>> instance, and without action it will not be the last. These types of posts
>>>>>>>>>>>>> being made in OUR name do harm to the party, and make a mockery of the work
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that every contributor is making to satisfy someone's personal grind.  I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope that in lieu of APRC reeling in these posts, a motion will be made by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the LNC to require it.  Please, no more trolling or sh*tposting on the FB
>>>>>>>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joshua is correct - FB is an unusual situation and is more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difficult to review.  I think with the upcoming meeting that each of us has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not reviewed as much as we normally do.  That is certainly true with me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 5:42 PM, Joshua Katz <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The APRC handles FB posts.  We check the scheduled items.  I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> admit that I have not done so very often in the last few weeks.  But, as I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> often do, I'd also remind the LNC that the APRC is given only a limited
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jurisdiction.  Also, the process for FB is different than that for staff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> items - staff items are presented and need to receive affirmative
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approvals, whereas FB items are not presented in the same way and do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need affirmative approvals.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Whitney Bilyeu <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whitneycb76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does APRC handle these FB posts, too?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2017 6:07 PM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I honestly did not see this but I have been swamped with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work and travel the past few weeks.  I would have disallowed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Ken Moellman <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lpky at mu-net.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What in the Hell (pun intended) is with this post?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/liber
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tarians/photos/a.1015012612115
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7726.302978.5978057725/10155188096782726/?type=3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who seriously thought this was a good idea?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caucus <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>
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