[Lnc-business] New Committee does not resolve the problem

Mon Apr 17 02:07:01 EDT 2017

Nick assured us it was not.  Staff is not even answering all emails.
Scheduling is not as easy or quick as all that and likes it or not,
believes me or not, you will lose the volunteers.  I'm rethinking whether I
stil want to volunteer seeing how dismissive some things have been.  Some
may be think oh well.  Ask Matt or Nick how much I do.  Better yet ask
affiliates about the good will.  But we are willing to flush myself and
dozens of others work down the toilet.  That's not OK.  (We do need a
management structure - that us abundantly clear - without a doubt)

I love itnso I doubt I will stop.  But I would hope we have concern for
everyone not just the "important" people.

Volunteers are not gopher grunt slaves.  Not beimg worried about algorithms
just says the work the volunteers did for years is meaningless.

Timing is not the smallest part of the problem though there are others I
will only say in executive session per our rules.

The whole comment on the APRC is illplaced.  We mostly check messages from
or suggested by STAFF and without violating confidentiality, there is a
reject rate.

Facebook succeeds not by being safe and NOT by the false narrative we are
centrist.  Our Stament of Principles is bold.

Do I think it requires the devil? No,  God no.  But I see this as being
used to do exactly what you are talking about- factional pettiness.

Good news- all sides are mad at me,  I'm doing it right.

We are not a safe Party.  And to quote a famous fictional general,
affiliates will rebel.  The more we try to control things overly much, the
more star systems will slip through our fingers.

-Caryn Ann

On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:40 PM Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org> wrote:

> There was a concern about an "undue burden" on staff, but was staff even
> consulted, or is this just a justification?  Benedict made it clear in the
> meeting that staff used to run the FB account.  You schedule FB posts ahead
> of time, so one staff member could look at all the content that the
> volunteers create and simply be in charge of scheduling it within FB.
> Nothing changes except creating a final check on the situation.  Doherty
> made it clear that bad marketing hurts the party.  Ask the others what they
> think.
>
> I'm not even worried about the FB algorithms at this point. Before we even
> get to that level, I'm worried about what's being said by a group of
> volunteers in the name of the party.
>
> I've received messages from people who are and were in that group of
> volunteers, as I've mentioned before, who think things are being badly
> mismanaged and messages controlled to meet agendas of others with no title
> or role.
>
> The Satanic Temple thing was timing, sure.  Timing is one part of the
> problem.  It's the smallest part of the problem.
>
> The core purpose of the APRC is to prevent messages from going out in our
> name that are off-platform.  That's true.  But let's ask the question --
> why?  Why would it ever be necessary to do that?  Because we're all
> volunteers, and people have their personal axes they like to grind. The
> entire premise is to stop things from going out that would hurt the party.
>
> In essence, we are doing nothing. The status quo remains for 4 months.
>
> ken
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:18 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Larry is right.
>>
>>
>> I see an agenda here to strike at making a "centrist" party once again.
>>
>>
>> All I can say is that I see it and will strenuously oppose.
>>
>> We are NOT centrists.  We are Libertarians and pushing the edge IS part
>> if our job.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 9:15 PM Larry Sharpe <lsharpe at neo-sage.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> Just an opinion to take into consideration: The reason for the huge
>>> backlash on the Satanic post was timing.
>>>
>>> As many of you have heard me preach, emotion and culture matter. We just
>>> came off the "pro-choice on everything" event, that made many people feel
>>> unhappy. They saw it as an attack on their culture. And then we responded
>>> with logical reasons for its validity. Logical responses to emotional
>>> concerns rarely work. Accordingly, many of them were still emotionally raw.
>>> Then during Easter week the Satanic Pic was posted. And of course, many
>>> people again responded with logical reasons as to why it was acceptable.
>>> This felt like more disrespect and a pile-on attack to their culture.
>>>
>>> If this Satanic pic had come out in July or August (and we had no
>>> similar instances in the meantime), this would have been a minor blip.
>>>
>>> Again, just my opinion. I hope it's helpful.
>>>
>>> PS - Yes, Joshua, that 5% was a nice gesture and I am pleased. Thanks
>>> for acknowledging my emotions. :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 10:49 PM, Joshua Katz <
>>> planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree with roughly 3/4 of Steven's email.  (To please Larry Sharpe, I
>>>> will increase it to 80%.)  I will leave it as a mystery which 3/4 it is.
>>>>
>>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Steven Nekhaila <
>>>> steven.nekhaila at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The APRC is beyond its scope of duty if it is going to be monitoring
>>>>> posts, creating a marketing strategy, etc. That is why this committee was
>>>>> founded and it will tally up our shortcomings and identify our
>>>>> opportunities while allowing us to double down on our strengths. This is
>>>>> not a committee to investigate the APRC, this committee will review all of
>>>>> our social media practices and evaluate our current strategies which will
>>>>> come back to the LNC as a report so we can take meaningful, effective
>>>>> action in the proper direction.
>>>>>
>>>>> If we were to simply put the staff in charge of vetting posts it would
>>>>> be an undue burden, and more importantly it may not yield the effective
>>>>> results we are looking for. Social media is very complex and involves
>>>>> proprietary algorithms, while also varying from platform to platform, we
>>>>> need to keep our aces in their places while also looking for opportunities
>>>>> to improve brand protection and messaging.
>>>>>
>>>>> By having a committee study our social media assets and procedures and
>>>>> returning a report to the LNC we will be able to uncover opportunities that
>>>>> we may not know exist and expound on solutions. I hope you can have
>>>>> confidence in us to bring something substantial to the table come next
>>>>> meeting or before, this will not be taken lightly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Instead of attacking the situation with a hatchet, let's approach it
>>>>> with a scalpel, keep our teams motivated, and use this as a learning
>>>>> opportunity. I just ask you to trust our judgement and understand that we
>>>>> share your concerns.
>>>>>
>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>
>>>>> Steven Nekhaila
>>>>> Region 2 Representative Alt
>>>>> 305-393-6412 <(305)%20393-6412>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Sent from Boxer | http://getboxer.com <http://bxr.io/PBI3C>
>>>>>
>>>>> On April 16, 2017 at 5:11:26 PM EDT, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> All -
>>>>>
>>>>> After my family events today, I returned to watch the last segment of
>>>>> the LNC meeting, which includes the creation of the committee to review how
>>>>> we're using Facebook.  I continue to have grave concerns about this.  We
>>>>> are not changing the status quo.  When most organizations make a giant
>>>>> mistake due to some sort of internal failing, they send in a "crisis
>>>>> management" team to take immediate action to handle the situation - to
>>>>> handle the external marketing and the internal procedure improvement.
>>>>> Apparently, we just create yet another committee to study it.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.  We have "only" had 2 posts with very negative response, but there
>>>>> have been other bad posts as well. This motion does not prevent this from
>>>>> continuing. Nothing has been done to stop this behavior.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2.  We have FB volunteers communicating directly with people via FB
>>>>> private messaging, responding to negative comments. There is, to my
>>>>> understanding, no APRC oversight or approval on these communications that
>>>>> come across to the recipient as from "Libertarian Party".
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. We have no marketing strategy. There's no messaging. There's no
>>>>> marketing.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. We have no specific social media strategy.  The first step would be
>>>>> to have a messaging and marketing strategy, and then to apply that strategy
>>>>> within the realm of social media.
>>>>>
>>>>> Simply put, creating a committee to review an existing committee
>>>>> (APRC) who reviews another committee (FB Admins) who reviews another
>>>>> committee (FB Volunteers) is not a solution.  It is an attempt to punt and
>>>>> gloss over a glaring problem with the party.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can spend hundreds of hours pushing ballot access. I can spend
>>>>> hundreds of hours doing IT projects. No amount of foundation work matters
>>>>> when we intentionally allow the negligent burning down of the structure
>>>>> upon which its built.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am currently re-evaluating my role in the party and the amount of
>>>>> time I dedicate to the organization.  Maybe it's my political mid-life
>>>>> crisis. I just have to question why I kill myself for an organization that
>>>>> kills itself by refusing to not allow itself to be killed.
>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> *We defend your rights*
>> *And oppose the use of force*
>> *Taxation is theft*
>>
>>
>>
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*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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