[Lnc-business] New Committee does not resolve the problem

Mon Apr 17 02:21:16 EDT 2017

I'm pretty much done with the topic. I don't know what I'm going to do
next, other than post that it may be a good idea, in marketing, to consider
the audience.

http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/

On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 2:07 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Nick assured us it was not.  Staff is not even answering all emails.
> Scheduling is not as easy or quick as all that and likes it or not,
> believes me or not, you will lose the volunteers.  I'm rethinking whether I
> stil want to volunteer seeing how dismissive some things have been.  Some
> may be think oh well.  Ask Matt or Nick how much I do.  Better yet ask
> affiliates about the good will.  But we are willing to flush myself and
> dozens of others work down the toilet.  That's not OK.  (We do need a
> management structure - that us abundantly clear - without a doubt)
>
> I love itnso I doubt I will stop.  But I would hope we have concern for
> everyone not just the "important" people.
>
> Volunteers are not gopher grunt slaves.  Not beimg worried about
> algorithms just says the work the volunteers did for years is meaningless.
>
> Timing is not the smallest part of the problem though there are others I
> will only say in executive session per our rules.
>
> The whole comment on the APRC is illplaced.  We mostly check messages from
> or suggested by STAFF and without violating confidentiality, there is a
> reject rate.
>
> Facebook succeeds not by being safe and NOT by the false narrative we are
> centrist.  Our Stament of Principles is bold.
>
> Do I think it requires the devil? No,  God no.  But I see this as being
> used to do exactly what you are talking about- factional pettiness.
>
> Good news- all sides are mad at me,  I'm doing it right.
>
>
> We are not a safe Party.  And to quote a famous fictional general,
> affiliates will rebel.  The more we try to control things overly much, the
> more star systems will slip through our fingers.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:40 PM Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org> wrote:
>
>> There was a concern about an "undue burden" on staff, but was staff even
>> consulted, or is this just a justification?  Benedict made it clear in the
>> meeting that staff used to run the FB account.  You schedule FB posts ahead
>> of time, so one staff member could look at all the content that the
>> volunteers create and simply be in charge of scheduling it within FB.
>> Nothing changes except creating a final check on the situation.  Doherty
>> made it clear that bad marketing hurts the party.  Ask the others what they
>> think.
>>
>> I'm not even worried about the FB algorithms at this point. Before we
>> even get to that level, I'm worried about what's being said by a group of
>> volunteers in the name of the party.
>>
>> I've received messages from people who are and were in that group of
>> volunteers, as I've mentioned before, who think things are being badly
>> mismanaged and messages controlled to meet agendas of others with no title
>> or role.
>>
>> The Satanic Temple thing was timing, sure.  Timing is one part of the
>> problem.  It's the smallest part of the problem.
>>
>> The core purpose of the APRC is to prevent messages from going out in our
>> name that are off-platform.  That's true.  But let's ask the question --
>> why?  Why would it ever be necessary to do that?  Because we're all
>> volunteers, and people have their personal axes they like to grind. The
>> entire premise is to stop things from going out that would hurt the party.
>>
>> In essence, we are doing nothing. The status quo remains for 4 months.
>>
>> ken
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:18 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Larry is right.
>>>
>>>
>>> I see an agenda here to strike at making a "centrist" party once again.
>>>
>>>
>>> All I can say is that I see it and will strenuously oppose.
>>>
>>> We are NOT centrists.  We are Libertarians and pushing the edge IS part
>>> if our job.
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 9:15 PM Larry Sharpe <lsharpe at neo-sage.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>
>>>> Just an opinion to take into consideration: The reason for the huge
>>>> backlash on the Satanic post was timing.
>>>>
>>>> As many of you have heard me preach, emotion and culture matter. We
>>>> just came off the "pro-choice on everything" event, that made many people
>>>> feel unhappy. They saw it as an attack on their culture. And then we
>>>> responded with logical reasons for its validity. Logical responses to
>>>> emotional concerns rarely work. Accordingly, many of them were still
>>>> emotionally raw. Then during Easter week the Satanic Pic was posted. And of
>>>> course, many people again responded with logical reasons as to why it was
>>>> acceptable. This felt like more disrespect and a pile-on attack to their
>>>> culture.
>>>>
>>>> If this Satanic pic had come out in July or August (and we had no
>>>> similar instances in the meantime), this would have been a minor blip.
>>>>
>>>> Again, just my opinion. I hope it's helpful.
>>>>
>>>> PS - Yes, Joshua, that 5% was a nice gesture and I am pleased. Thanks
>>>> for acknowledging my emotions. :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 10:49 PM, Joshua Katz <
>>>> planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I agree with roughly 3/4 of Steven's email.  (To please Larry Sharpe,
>>>>> I will increase it to 80%.)  I will leave it as a mystery which 3/4 it is.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Steven Nekhaila <
>>>>> steven.nekhaila at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The APRC is beyond its scope of duty if it is going to be monitoring
>>>>>> posts, creating a marketing strategy, etc. That is why this committee was
>>>>>> founded and it will tally up our shortcomings and identify our
>>>>>> opportunities while allowing us to double down on our strengths. This is
>>>>>> not a committee to investigate the APRC, this committee will review all of
>>>>>> our social media practices and evaluate our current strategies which will
>>>>>> come back to the LNC as a report so we can take meaningful, effective
>>>>>> action in the proper direction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If we were to simply put the staff in charge of vetting posts it
>>>>>> would be an undue burden, and more importantly it may not yield the
>>>>>> effective results we are looking for. Social media is very complex and
>>>>>> involves proprietary algorithms, while also varying from platform to
>>>>>> platform, we need to keep our aces in their places while also looking for
>>>>>> opportunities to improve brand protection and messaging.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By having a committee study our social media assets and procedures
>>>>>> and returning a report to the LNC we will be able to uncover opportunities
>>>>>> that we may not know exist and expound on solutions. I hope you can have
>>>>>> confidence in us to bring something substantial to the table come next
>>>>>> meeting or before, this will not be taken lightly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Instead of attacking the situation with a hatchet, let's approach it
>>>>>> with a scalpel, keep our teams motivated, and use this as a learning
>>>>>> opportunity. I just ask you to trust our judgement and understand that we
>>>>>> share your concerns.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steven Nekhaila
>>>>>> Region 2 Representative Alt
>>>>>> 305-393-6412 <(305)%20393-6412>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Sent from Boxer | http://getboxer.com <http://bxr.io/PBI3C>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On April 16, 2017 at 5:11:26 PM EDT, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After my family events today, I returned to watch the last segment of
>>>>>> the LNC meeting, which includes the creation of the committee to review how
>>>>>> we're using Facebook.  I continue to have grave concerns about this.  We
>>>>>> are not changing the status quo.  When most organizations make a giant
>>>>>> mistake due to some sort of internal failing, they send in a "crisis
>>>>>> management" team to take immediate action to handle the situation - to
>>>>>> handle the external marketing and the internal procedure improvement.
>>>>>> Apparently, we just create yet another committee to study it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1.  We have "only" had 2 posts with very negative response, but there
>>>>>> have been other bad posts as well. This motion does not prevent this from
>>>>>> continuing. Nothing has been done to stop this behavior.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2.  We have FB volunteers communicating directly with people via FB
>>>>>> private messaging, responding to negative comments. There is, to my
>>>>>> understanding, no APRC oversight or approval on these communications that
>>>>>> come across to the recipient as from "Libertarian Party".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. We have no marketing strategy. There's no messaging. There's no
>>>>>> marketing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4. We have no specific social media strategy.  The first step would
>>>>>> be to have a messaging and marketing strategy, and then to apply that
>>>>>> strategy within the realm of social media.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Simply put, creating a committee to review an existing committee
>>>>>> (APRC) who reviews another committee (FB Admins) who reviews another
>>>>>> committee (FB Volunteers) is not a solution.  It is an attempt to punt and
>>>>>> gloss over a glaring problem with the party.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can spend hundreds of hours pushing ballot access. I can spend
>>>>>> hundreds of hours doing IT projects. No amount of foundation work matters
>>>>>> when we intentionally allow the negligent burning down of the structure
>>>>>> upon which its built.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am currently re-evaluating my role in the party and the amount of
>>>>>> time I dedicate to the organization.  Maybe it's my political mid-life
>>>>>> crisis. I just have to question why I kill myself for an organization that
>>>>>> kills itself by refusing to not allow itself to be killed.
>>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>
>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
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>>> *And oppose the use of force*
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> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> *We defend your rights*
> *And oppose the use of force*
> *Taxation is theft*
>
>
>
>
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