[Lnc-business] New Committee does not resolve the problem

Mon Apr 17 02:31:18 EDT 2017

Im done too.  For all My all my defense of the volunteers I'm now the bad
guy .

You and I disagree on very little Ken.

-Caryn Ann

On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 12:22 AM Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org> wrote:

> I'm pretty much done with the topic. I don't know what I'm going to do
> next, other than post that it may be a good idea, in marketing, to consider
> the audience.
>
> http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 2:07 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Nick assured us it was not.  Staff is not even answering all emails.
>> Scheduling is not as easy or quick as all that and likes it or not,
>> believes me or not, you will lose the volunteers.  I'm rethinking whether I
>> stil want to volunteer seeing how dismissive some things have been.  Some
>> may be think oh well.  Ask Matt or Nick how much I do.  Better yet ask
>> affiliates about the good will.  But we are willing to flush myself and
>> dozens of others work down the toilet.  That's not OK.  (We do need a
>> management structure - that us abundantly clear - without a doubt)
>>
>> I love itnso I doubt I will stop.  But I would hope we have concern for
>> everyone not just the "important" people.
>>
>> Volunteers are not gopher grunt slaves.  Not beimg worried about
>> algorithms just says the work the volunteers did for years is meaningless.
>>
>> Timing is not the smallest part of the problem though there are others I
>> will only say in executive session per our rules.
>>
>> The whole comment on the APRC is illplaced.  We mostly check messages
>> from or suggested by STAFF and without violating confidentiality, there is
>> a reject rate.
>>
>> Facebook succeeds not by being safe and NOT by the false narrative we are
>> centrist.  Our Stament of Principles is bold.
>>
>> Do I think it requires the devil? No,  God no.  But I see this as being
>> used to do exactly what you are talking about- factional pettiness.
>>
>> Good news- all sides are mad at me,  I'm doing it right.
>>
>>
>> We are not a safe Party.  And to quote a famous fictional general,
>> affiliates will rebel.  The more we try to control things overly much, the
>> more star systems will slip through our fingers.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:40 PM Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org> wrote:
>>
>>> There was a concern about an "undue burden" on staff, but was staff even
>>> consulted, or is this just a justification?  Benedict made it clear in the
>>> meeting that staff used to run the FB account.  You schedule FB posts ahead
>>> of time, so one staff member could look at all the content that the
>>> volunteers create and simply be in charge of scheduling it within FB.
>>> Nothing changes except creating a final check on the situation.  Doherty
>>> made it clear that bad marketing hurts the party.  Ask the others what they
>>> think.
>>>
>>> I'm not even worried about the FB algorithms at this point. Before we
>>> even get to that level, I'm worried about what's being said by a group of
>>> volunteers in the name of the party.
>>>
>>> I've received messages from people who are and were in that group of
>>> volunteers, as I've mentioned before, who think things are being badly
>>> mismanaged and messages controlled to meet agendas of others with no title
>>> or role.
>>>
>>> The Satanic Temple thing was timing, sure.  Timing is one part of the
>>> problem.  It's the smallest part of the problem.
>>>
>>> The core purpose of the APRC is to prevent messages from going out in
>>> our name that are off-platform.  That's true.  But let's ask the question
>>> -- why?  Why would it ever be necessary to do that?  Because we're all
>>> volunteers, and people have their personal axes they like to grind. The
>>> entire premise is to stop things from going out that would hurt the party.
>>>
>>> In essence, we are doing nothing. The status quo remains for 4 months.
>>>
>>> ken
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:18 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Larry is right.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I see an agenda here to strike at making a "centrist" party once again.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All I can say is that I see it and will strenuously oppose.
>>>>
>>>> We are NOT centrists.  We are Libertarians and pushing the edge IS part
>>>> if our job.
>>>>
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 9:15 PM Larry Sharpe <lsharpe at neo-sage.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just an opinion to take into consideration: The reason for the huge
>>>>> backlash on the Satanic post was timing.
>>>>>
>>>>> As many of you have heard me preach, emotion and culture matter. We
>>>>> just came off the "pro-choice on everything" event, that made many people
>>>>> feel unhappy. They saw it as an attack on their culture. And then we
>>>>> responded with logical reasons for its validity. Logical responses to
>>>>> emotional concerns rarely work. Accordingly, many of them were still
>>>>> emotionally raw. Then during Easter week the Satanic Pic was posted. And of
>>>>> course, many people again responded with logical reasons as to why it was
>>>>> acceptable. This felt like more disrespect and a pile-on attack to their
>>>>> culture.
>>>>>
>>>>> If this Satanic pic had come out in July or August (and we had no
>>>>> similar instances in the meantime), this would have been a minor blip.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, just my opinion. I hope it's helpful.
>>>>>
>>>>> PS - Yes, Joshua, that 5% was a nice gesture and I am pleased. Thanks
>>>>> for acknowledging my emotions. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 10:49 PM, Joshua Katz <
>>>>> planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with roughly 3/4 of Steven's email.  (To please Larry Sharpe,
>>>>>> I will increase it to 80%.)  I will leave it as a mystery which 3/4 it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Steven Nekhaila <
>>>>>> steven.nekhaila at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The APRC is beyond its scope of duty if it is going to be monitoring
>>>>>>> posts, creating a marketing strategy, etc. That is why this committee was
>>>>>>> founded and it will tally up our shortcomings and identify our
>>>>>>> opportunities while allowing us to double down on our strengths. This is
>>>>>>> not a committee to investigate the APRC, this committee will review all of
>>>>>>> our social media practices and evaluate our current strategies which will
>>>>>>> come back to the LNC as a report so we can take meaningful, effective
>>>>>>> action in the proper direction.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If we were to simply put the staff in charge of vetting posts it
>>>>>>> would be an undue burden, and more importantly it may not yield the
>>>>>>> effective results we are looking for. Social media is very complex and
>>>>>>> involves proprietary algorithms, while also varying from platform to
>>>>>>> platform, we need to keep our aces in their places while also looking for
>>>>>>> opportunities to improve brand protection and messaging.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By having a committee study our social media assets and procedures
>>>>>>> and returning a report to the LNC we will be able to uncover opportunities
>>>>>>> that we may not know exist and expound on solutions. I hope you can have
>>>>>>> confidence in us to bring something substantial to the table come next
>>>>>>> meeting or before, this will not be taken lightly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Instead of attacking the situation with a hatchet, let's approach it
>>>>>>> with a scalpel, keep our teams motivated, and use this as a learning
>>>>>>> opportunity. I just ask you to trust our judgement and understand that we
>>>>>>> share your concerns.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steven Nekhaila
>>>>>>> Region 2 Representative Alt
>>>>>>> 305-393-6412 <(305)%20393-6412>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> Sent from Boxer | http://getboxer.com <http://bxr.io/PBI3C>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On April 16, 2017 at 5:11:26 PM EDT, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After my family events today, I returned to watch the last segment
>>>>>>> of the LNC meeting, which includes the creation of the committee to review
>>>>>>> how we're using Facebook.  I continue to have grave concerns about this.
>>>>>>> We are not changing the status quo.  When most organizations make a giant
>>>>>>> mistake due to some sort of internal failing, they send in a "crisis
>>>>>>> management" team to take immediate action to handle the situation - to
>>>>>>> handle the external marketing and the internal procedure improvement.
>>>>>>> Apparently, we just create yet another committee to study it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1.  We have "only" had 2 posts with very negative response, but
>>>>>>> there have been other bad posts as well. This motion does not prevent this
>>>>>>> from continuing. Nothing has been done to stop this behavior.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2.  We have FB volunteers communicating directly with people via FB
>>>>>>> private messaging, responding to negative comments. There is, to my
>>>>>>> understanding, no APRC oversight or approval on these communications that
>>>>>>> come across to the recipient as from "Libertarian Party".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. We have no marketing strategy. There's no messaging. There's no
>>>>>>> marketing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4. We have no specific social media strategy.  The first step would
>>>>>>> be to have a messaging and marketing strategy, and then to apply that
>>>>>>> strategy within the realm of social media.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Simply put, creating a committee to review an existing committee
>>>>>>> (APRC) who reviews another committee (FB Admins) who reviews another
>>>>>>> committee (FB Volunteers) is not a solution.  It is an attempt to punt and
>>>>>>> gloss over a glaring problem with the party.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can spend hundreds of hours pushing ballot access. I can spend
>>>>>>> hundreds of hours doing IT projects. No amount of foundation work matters
>>>>>>> when we intentionally allow the negligent burning down of the structure
>>>>>>> upon which its built.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am currently re-evaluating my role in the party and the amount of
>>>>>>> time I dedicate to the organization.  Maybe it's my political mid-life
>>>>>>> crisis. I just have to question why I kill myself for an organization that
>>>>>>> kills itself by refusing to not allow itself to be killed.
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Larry
>>>>>
>>>>> *Larry Sharpe*
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>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> *We defend your rights*
>> *And oppose the use of force*
>> *Taxation is theft*
>>
>>
>>
>>
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-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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