[Lnc-business] New Committee does not resolve the problem

Tue Apr 18 06:58:12 EDT 2017

The reason that I gave the comment that I did is that you have now twice
taken indirect, but quite obvious, swipes at my expression of displeasure
at the lack of substantive action on this issue.  There is nothing
"self-aggrandizing" about it.  People have left the party over our handling
of the situation.

I think this sums it up nicely:
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20130604134550-284615-15-statistics-that-should-change-the-business-world-but-haven-t

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 4:18 AM, David Demarest <dprattdemarest at gmail.com>
wrote:

> This controversy has dramatically illustrated a number constructive and
> destructive ways to respond that we can choose from based on our individual
> perception of what is best for us personally and collectively as a party.
>
> These options range from ignoring the controversy and wishfully hoping it
> will go away, wallowing in it for personal aggrandizement purposes and
> learning from it while fixing it.
>
> From my perspective of freedom, nothing more, nothing less; I choose to
> learn from it, fix our messaging strategy and get back on track on our
> Libertarian quest for freedom. Is there really any other choice?
>
> On Apr 18, 2017 1:36 AM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Satan certainly does.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 11:01 PM Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I had written a lengthy response.  Then I realized it didn't matter.
>>>
>>> At least Satan and the Pauls know where Aleppo is.
>>>
>>> ken
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:01 PM, David Demarest <
>>> dprattdemarest at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ken, I could not agree more about the immediate need to resolve the
>>>> issue of our "currently-undefined messaging strategy". I hope that other
>>>> LNC members will reflect on your astute observation and choose to
>>>> proactively pursue a readily available and cost-effective solution from a
>>>> dedicated Libertarian messaging strategy firm.
>>>>
>>>> Just as important and in a similar spirit, we individual Libertarians
>>>> can set an example for each other by ensuring that our personal messaging
>>>> strategy houses are in order.
>>>>
>>>> I personally pledge to refrain from emotional responses to internal
>>>> controversies with inappropriate unconstructive actions including but not
>>>> limited to publicizing to the broader audience threats to resign from the
>>>> party based on perceived affronts to my personal beliefs. While actions
>>>> like this might provide short-term gratification, I recognize that such
>>>> self-serving hubbubs could have unintended consequences far greater than
>>>> the original controversies.
>>>>
>>>> Ken, thank you again for calling to our attention the need for
>>>> comprehensive personal and institutional messaging strategy reform. I will
>>>> be glad to work with you to facilitate an institutional messaging strategy
>>>> initiative and encourage others who share your vision to join us in this
>>>> timely and critical undertaking.
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 17, 2017 4:33 PM, "Ken Moellman" <lpky at mu-net.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From what I saw, there was basically no immediate action or change. I'm
>>>> sure there will be far more eyes on things for a bit, because of the
>>>> hubbub. I just would have felt a lot more comfortable if we had put staff
>>>> in as the final check and balance.  It brings accountability. It's
>>>> definitive, quantitative action (we now have paid staff, who are
>>>> accountable to the party, in charge of final review).  Long term, I think
>>>> there needs to be some group that manages all social media, after
>>>> developing a strategy that is in-line with our currently-undefined
>>>> marketing strategy.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Immediately is over the course of the weekend.  Chair Sarwark
>>>>> indicated he would and has already informed the volunteers of this.  He
>>>>> made this announcement right after check out recess.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do think (not necessarily you) there is an agenda of factionalizing
>>>>> messaging, and it is being covered in buzzwords (again not you) but instead
>>>>> of calling it factionalizing, we are calling it "bad."
>>>>>
>>>>> There has been a push to centrize and "moderate" our message from our
>>>>> origins and it continues.  And I see this being used as an opportunistic
>>>>> way to continue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, there is a problem.  Yes, it needs to be fixed.   BUT I am
>>>>> concerned poison pills are being slipped in.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only faction I care about is the Statement of Principles.  And not
>>>>> being embarassed by what this Party has stood for for over forty years.
>>>>> Like taxation is theft.  Not just income taxation.  Taxation.  Can we
>>>>> explain better why?  Yes.  And we must.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the inbox, APRC does not review the inbox and never has.  THAT is a
>>>>> problem.  And I don't think Volunteers unless appointed and trained
>>>>> directly by and oversaw by APRC, staff, or the Chair should be doing that
>>>>> unless it is just linking to an official document.
>>>>>
>>>>> You and I are of one mind on that issue.  Though we have some
>>>>> volunteers fantastic at it, they need more oversight by staff or someone.
>>>>> THAT is a big hole.  I agree.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Caryn Ann
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> No, that is not a factual record of what happened. There was no
>>>>>> actual action taken immediately. There was hours of debate, and then we
>>>>>> skipped over that immediate action part in the second paragraph and moved
>>>>>> on to the third - the internal review process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I certainly have no interest in factionalizing messaging. I do think
>>>>>> a series of checks and balances with diverse interests represented would
>>>>>> mean that nothing bad slips through, or, if it does, then everyone's at
>>>>>> fault. It might also help ensure that the messaging is acceptable to all
>>>>>> factions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder if the FB volunteers are still responding directly to people
>>>>>> via Private Messaging without any APRC oversight.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am seeing the mention of satanism in the comments on almost every
>>>>>> FB post since the incident.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Libertarian Party made a gaffe last week with a religiously
>>>>>>> controversial post last week.  *After the incident*, the Party
>>>>>>> Chair Nicholas Sarwark announced to the Libertarian National Committee that
>>>>>>> he would be taking interim measures to be sure no such thing repeats while
>>>>>>> a committee is convened to recommend better safeguards and to move the LP's
>>>>>>> social media into the future.  *This is a change to be sure that
>>>>>>> incidents like this do not re-occur.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ************
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We handled it just right IMHO.  I was concerned, and remain so, that
>>>>>>> this is a backdoor attempt to factionalize messaging that has continually
>>>>>>> happened for years and I will fight that.  However, I do believe we need
>>>>>>> better policies and practices.  I offer to unofficially assist this
>>>>>>> committee at any opportunity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **********
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I once again thank the LNC for their hard work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I urge us to appoint people on the current social media team on that
>>>>>>> committee and not JUST people who will further make this seem like a power
>>>>>>> grab for messaging.  I believe I am disqualified as an LNC member but I
>>>>>>> have recommendations (unfortunately I think it should include Patrick and I
>>>>>>> who I think are both disqualified).  Anyways disqualified or not, I hope
>>>>>>> the volunteers are consulted or this will be viewed as a top-down mistake.  *MATT
>>>>>>> HASTY should definitely be on this committee.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 4:04 AM, Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How most react to negative press:  http://finance.yahoo.com/news
>>>>>>>> /couple-says-were-kicked-off-185755927.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (emphasis added)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> United has been engulfed by controversy since a viral video emerged
>>>>>>>> depicting 69-year-old David Dao
>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessinsider.com/united-airlines-passenger-dragged-from-flight-name-2017-4> being
>>>>>>>> violently dragged off a United Airlines flight after refusing to give up
>>>>>>>> his seat to make room for crew members. Dao sustained injuries and plans
>>>>>>>> to file a lawsuit
>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessinsider.com/man-dragged-from-united-airlines-flight-will-file-lawsuit-2017-4> against
>>>>>>>> the airline.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *After the incident* involving Dao,* United enacted a new rule*
>>>>>>>> stipulating that crew members will no longer be allowed to displace
>>>>>>>> passengers already on board the plane, the Associated Press reported.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> United spokeswoman Maggie Schmerin said in an email to the AP on
>>>>>>>> Sunday that *the change is an initial step in a review of policies
>>>>>>>> and it's meant to ensure that situations like Dao's never happen again*
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:11 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am being ruthlessly and visciousky attacked.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No good deed goes unpunished.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I knkw what I did and everyone on this body knows I defended the
>>>>>>>>> volunteers.  I'm deeply saddened but I don't regret doing so.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 12:38 AM Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I saw that you're being attacked. Interestingly, but not
>>>>>>>>>> surprising, by the same person I've received multiple reports from as being
>>>>>>>>>> part of the problem with the current configuration.  My guess is that the
>>>>>>>>>> person know they're being a problem, thinks this ends with them being
>>>>>>>>>> reeled in, and so now they're lashing out.  But that's just a guess on my
>>>>>>>>>> part.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As one more metric, I was pointed to the number of Likes versus
>>>>>>>>>> Follows and apparently that ratio is bad.  So while we have a lot of likes,
>>>>>>>>>> we also have a lot of un-follows.  But it'll be 4 months before we
>>>>>>>>>> officially do nothing, anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ken
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 2:31 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Im done too.  For all My all my defense of the volunteers I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> now the bad guy .
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You and I disagree on very little Ken.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 12:22 AM Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty much done with the topic. I don't know what I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> going to do next, other than post that it may be a good idea, in marketing,
>>>>>>>>>>>> to consider the audience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 2:07 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nick assured us it was not.  Staff is not even answering all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> emails.  Scheduling is not as easy or quick as all that and likes it or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not, believes me or not, you will lose the volunteers.  I'm rethinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> whether I stil want to volunteer seeing how dismissive some things have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> been.  Some may be think oh well.  Ask Matt or Nick how much I do.  Better
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet ask affiliates about the good will.  But we are willing to flush myself
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and dozens of others work down the toilet.  That's not OK.  (We do need a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> management structure - that us abundantly clear - without a doubt)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I love itnso I doubt I will stop.  But I would hope we have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> concern for everyone not just the "important" people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Volunteers are not gopher grunt slaves.  Not beimg worried
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about algorithms just says the work the volunteers did for years is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaningless.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Timing is not the smallest part of the problem though there
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are others I will only say in executive session per our rules.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole comment on the APRC is illplaced.  We mostly check
>>>>>>>>>>>>> messages from or suggested by STAFF and without violating confidentiality,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is a reject rate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Facebook succeeds not by being safe and NOT by the false
>>>>>>>>>>>>> narrative we are centrist.  Our Stament of Principles is bold.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do I think it requires the devil? No,  God no.  But I see this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as being used to do exactly what you are talking about- factional pettiness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good news- all sides are mad at me,  I'm doing it right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are not a safe Party.  And to quote a famous fictional
>>>>>>>>>>>>> general, affiliates will rebel.  The more we try to control things overly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> much, the more star systems will slip through our fingers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:40 PM Ken Moellman <lpky at mu-net.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was a concern about an "undue burden" on staff, but was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> staff even consulted, or is this just a justification?  Benedict made it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clear in the meeting that staff used to run the FB account.  You schedule
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FB posts ahead of time, so one staff member could look at all the content
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the volunteers create and simply be in charge of scheduling it within
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FB.  Nothing changes except creating a final check on the situation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doherty made it clear that bad marketing hurts the party.  Ask the others
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what they think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not even worried about the FB algorithms at this point.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Before we even get to that level, I'm worried about what's being said by a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group of volunteers in the name of the party.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've received messages from people who are and were in that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group of volunteers, as I've mentioned before, who think things are being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> badly mismanaged and messages controlled to meet agendas of others with no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> title or role.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Satanic Temple thing was timing, sure.  Timing is one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part of the problem.  It's the smallest part of the problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The core purpose of the APRC is to prevent messages from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going out in our name that are off-platform.  That's true.  But let's ask
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the question -- why?  Why would it ever be necessary to do that?  Because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we're all volunteers, and people have their personal axes they like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grind. The entire premise is to stop things from going out that would hurt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the party.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In essence, we are doing nothing. The status quo remains for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 months.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:18 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Larry is right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see an agenda here to strike at making a "centrist" party
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All I can say is that I see it and will strenuously oppose.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are NOT centrists.  We are Libertarians and pushing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> edge IS part if our job.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 9:15 PM Larry Sharpe <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lsharpe at neo-sage.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just an opinion to take into consideration: The reason for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the huge backlash on the Satanic post was timing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As many of you have heard me preach, emotion and culture
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter. We just came off the "pro-choice on everything" event, that made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many people feel unhappy. They saw it as an attack on their culture. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then we responded with logical reasons for its validity. Logical responses
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to emotional concerns rarely work. Accordingly, many of them were still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emotionally raw. Then during Easter week the Satanic Pic was posted. And of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course, many people again responded with logical reasons as to why it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acceptable. This felt like more disrespect and a pile-on attack to their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> culture.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If this Satanic pic had come out in July or August (and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had no similar instances in the meantime), this would have been a minor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blip.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Again, just my opinion. I hope it's helpful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PS - Yes, Joshua, that 5% was a nice gesture and I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pleased. Thanks for acknowledging my emotions. :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 10:49 PM, Joshua Katz <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with roughly 3/4 of Steven's email.  (To please
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Larry Sharpe, I will increase it to 80%.)  I will leave it as a mystery
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which 3/4 it is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Steven Nekhaila <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> steven.nekhaila at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The APRC is beyond its scope of duty if it is going to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monitoring posts, creating a marketing strategy, etc. That is why this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee was founded and it will tally up our shortcomings and identify
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our opportunities while allowing us to double down on our strengths. This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not a committee to investigate the APRC, this committee will review all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of our social media practices and evaluate our current strategies which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will come back to the LNC as a report so we can take meaningful, effective
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> action in the proper direction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If we were to simply put the staff in charge of vetting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posts it would be an undue burden, and more importantly it may not yield
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the effective results we are looking for. Social media is very complex and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> involves proprietary algorithms, while also varying from platform to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platform, we need to keep our aces in their places while also looking for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opportunities to improve brand protection and messaging.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By having a committee study our social media assets and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> procedures and returning a report to the LNC we will be able to uncover
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opportunities that we may not know exist and expound on solutions. I hope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can have confidence in us to bring something substantial to the table
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come next meeting or before, this will not be taken lightly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instead of attacking the situation with a hatchet, let's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approach it with a scalpel, keep our teams motivated, and use this as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> learning opportunity. I just ask you to trust our judgement and understand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we share your concerns.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steven Nekhaila
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 2 Representative Alt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 305-393-6412 <(305)%20393-6412>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Boxer | http://getboxer.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://bxr.io/PBI3C>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On April 16, 2017 at 5:11:26 PM EDT, Ken Moellman <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lpky at mu-net.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After my family events today, I returned to watch the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> last segment of the LNC meeting, which includes the creation of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee to review how we're using Facebook.  I continue to have grave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concerns about this.  We are not changing the status quo.  When most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organizations make a giant mistake due to some sort of internal failing,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they send in a "crisis management" team to take immediate action to handle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the situation - to handle the external marketing and the internal procedure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improvement. Apparently, we just create yet another committee to study it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.  We have "only" had 2 posts with very negative
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> response, but there have been other bad posts as well. This motion does not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prevent this from continuing. Nothing has been done to stop this behavior.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.  We have FB volunteers communicating directly with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people via FB private messaging, responding to negative comments. There is,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to my understanding, no APRC oversight or approval on these communications
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that come across to the recipient as from "Libertarian Party".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. We have no marketing strategy. There's no messaging.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's no marketing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. We have no specific social media strategy.  The first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> step would be to have a messaging and marketing strategy, and then to apply
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that strategy within the realm of social media.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Simply put, creating a committee to review an existing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committee (APRC) who reviews another committee (FB Admins) who reviews
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another committee (FB Volunteers) is not a solution.  It is an attempt to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> punt and gloss over a glaring problem with the party.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can spend hundreds of hours pushing ballot access. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can spend hundreds of hours doing IT projects. No amount of foundation work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matters when we intentionally allow the negligent burning down of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure upon which its built.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am currently re-evaluating my role in the party and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amount of time I dedicate to the organization.  Maybe it's my political
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mid-life crisis. I just have to question why I kill myself for an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organization that kills itself by refusing to not allow itself to be killed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Larry Sharpe*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *The Neo-Sage Group, Inc.*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> *We defend your rights*
>> *And oppose the use of force*
>> *Taxation is theft*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Lnc-business mailing list
>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>
>>
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