[Lnc-business] Satanic Post - LNC Input Requested

Thu Apr 20 06:10:46 EDT 2017

Just speaking for myself,  I think that as part of the process there may come some recommendations out of the newly formed committee regarding content in the rather broad sense, but that remains to be seen.

In this series, "FreeToBelieve", people that start to analyze it may notice a disproportionate representation on a per capita basis.

You have 2 memes for an organization that has less than .01% of the population of the United States involved with it. You have zero posts that clearly represent the organization that 70% of the population is affiliated with. 

 I just can't help but think that that looks like it favors one over the other.  The fact that the ONLY one that had more than one meme presented was the one that represents that one mentioning the Satanic Temple could seem like the LP favors that ideology over the others.  That's a problem.  There still exists the problem that there were belief systems that were not represented here in the series.
I still think the right thing to do is to remove the whole thing.  

Daniel Hayes
LNC At Large Member

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> On Apr 20, 2017, at 4:23 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> There are certainly process problems, but I'll comment on the content as well.
> 
> I don't understand what the #FreeToBelieve series, at least the way it has been approached, is supposed to accomplish.
> 
> The value of freedom of religion is not about what various religions have in common, but in how they are DIFFERENT.  The value is that two people can have polar opposite religious beliefs but still live together in a free country.  If I believe it's a sin to wear the color red, and you believe it's a sin to not wear the color red, guess what?  We both can live side by side in a libertarian society.  I'll wear blue, and you'll wear red, and neither of us imprisons the other over it.
> 
> It's one thing if we make a graphic symbolizing that people with widely varying religious beliefs are part of the LP...though perhaps we should avoid turning their religious symbols upside down in the graphic...that cover pic is gone now.
> 
> This series has started quoting religious texts, however, and posting them to make some kind of a political statement.  Religion and politics don't mix.  We're playing with fire, and it's not surprising that we got burned.  Quote something out of context, and your target audience is offended that you're twisting context to try to tell them their God wants them to be Libertarian.  The word "freedom" in a religious text may not mean freedom like the LP talks about...it may at times mean freedom from a previous oppressor...or freedom from consequences of sin...  What if it's a figurative passage, or a parable, or someone's dream sequence, and we just yank it out of place to use it for our agenda?
> 
> Religion is a set of standards that you impose on yourself voluntarily.  Politics is about a set of standards that you are willing to use the force of government to impose on others.  (For the anarchists in the LP, that's a null set.)
> 
> Sometimes there are overlapping areas of agreement between your religion and your politics, but those conclusions are arrived at for COMPLETELY DIFFERENT REASONS.  Maybe your religion teaches "Thou shall not commit murder" because God said so, and there's eternal punishment to consider.  Libertarians say murder is unacceptable because it is the ultimate initiation of force which permanently deprives the victim of all of their rights.  Completely different reasons for the same conclusion.
> 
> When we start quoting religious texts as some sort of support for our political views, what is that supposed to mean???
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> Sure, there are some religions that call for theocracies in which the religious and political standards are identical, but we're not advocating for that, right?  So why are we quoting religious texts at all?
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> There are a very large number of quotes from the same religious texts that we would not post.  We're not going to post, "Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy", are we?  (Using Ten Commandment examples just because so many are at least familiar with them.)  They may be a fine way for a person to choose to live for themselves, but to enforce that standard on others deprives them of the freedom to have a different religious view.  Good for religion.  Not so much for libertarian politics.
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> Why even go there?  It's completely unnecessary to wander into such dangerous territory, and religion is not the basis for our politics.
> 
> -Alicia
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 6:44 AM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi All -
>> 
>> I'd like to request LNC oversight on the Satanic Temple posting as part of the #FreeToBelieve series. I don't want to see our volunteers raked over the coals for issues related to the LNC or APRC. 
>> 
>> Is a Satanic Temple Posting:
>> 
>> 1. Fine on any day of the year
>> 2. Never ok
>> 3. Generally ok, but not during a religious holiday of a conflicting religion.
>> 
>> If future posts go up, I'd like it to be very clear on what the LNC views are, so that volunteers are not blamed for our decisions.
>> 
>> My view: I don't think that this is a battle worth picking. You can already be as Satanic as you want in America, so we're not gaining anything. I'd much rather focus on repealing laws and taxes that exist.
>> 
>> Personally, I have no opposition to the Satanic Temple. As part of an overall study of religion, I have read sections of various "Satanic" books, and written in non-political areas on mythology parallels between Prometheus in Greek Mythology and Lucifer in the Judaeo-Christian tradition. Realistically, I'll probably look into the religious legal protections they have, based on the comments by the chair, to see how others can do the same. I'd love to see an America in which every single house and apartment building is legally seen as a religious location that pays no property taxes. 
>> 
>> -Arvin
>> 
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