[Lnc-business] Request for assistance from Mark Wicks

[Alicia Mattson]

Joshua,

Just say it was an incomplete edit.  You were gonna write "RONR provides no
guidance because it's a terrible idea that RONR advises against doing at
all," but then you edited the sentence so that the contraction no longer
belonged, and you merely forgot to finish the edit.  :-)

-Alicia


On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 8:06 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
wrote:

> My god, what have I done?  <Its>
>
> Joshua A. Katz
>
>
> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 10:06 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> RONR provides no guidance because it's general advice is that, if you
>> decide to use email voting, you are on your own.  Our own rules, though,
>> are clear.  A vote closes after 10 days OR when all LNC members, not
>> including alternates, have cast a vote.  If we want to expedite the
>> process, everyone needs to vote quickly.  It would be improper to take
>> action when even a majority of the full LNC has cast "yes" votes because
>> votes may be changed until the vote closes (and for the more obvious but
>> less practical reason that, until it closes, nothing has been decided).
>>
>> Joshua A. Katz
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 9:54 PM, David Demarest <
>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> *Nick*, *Alicia*:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To Tim’s point, the election is a mere 16 days away. If we start the
>>> email ballot tonight, the full 10-day email ballot process would leave only
>>> 6 days left before the election. Would that be sufficient for Mr. Wickes to
>>> take full advantage of our $5,000? Or should we consider either
>>> Johnny/Jill-on-the-spot with all our votes or taking action immediately
>>> after the required number of Yes votes has been received?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joshua, *Aaron*: What guidance does RONR provide on the latter question?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Assuming all 17 votes would be cast, what would be the number of Yes
>>> votes required to pass this motion?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I will be voting Yes on this motion as soon as it is opened for voting.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ~David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Dec 28-Jan 1 Omaha Roads to Liberty Un-Convention*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>
>>> LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI)
>>>
>>> Secretary, LPNE State Central Committee
>>>
>>> Cell:      402-981-6469 <%28402%29%20981-6469>
>>>
>>> Home: 402-493-0873 <%28402%29%20493-0873>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
>>> Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 09, 2017 9:42 PM
>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Request for assistance from Mark Wicks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nick would that be the language?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 8:19 PM Nicholas Sarwark <chair at lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I will sponsor a motion for the LNC to contribute $5,000 to the Mark
>>> Wicks for Congress campaign.
>>>
>>> Our counsel and many others worked very hard to make sure Mr. Wicks
>>> could be in the televised debate (that he did very well in), I think
>>> it would be good to follow through and this is a very reasonable
>>> request after the candidate (a) raised a similar amount of money and
>>> (b) put in a similar amount of money on his own.
>>>
>>> -Nick
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 3:32 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > I will get the appropriate links and commentary about the debate from
>>> Mr.
>>> > Wicks.
>>> >
>>> > -Caryn Ann
>>> >
>>> > So we have myself and Joshua willing to co-sponsor a motion for
>>> $5,000.  We
>>> > would need two more.
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Joshua Katz <
>>> planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I take that to mean that there is no ballot access retention based on
>>> this
>>> >> race.  It might be true that better voter numbers than we have ever
>>> seen
>>> >> before makes a difference for us, perhaps even a national-scale
>>> difference
>>> >> (which is what it takes, short of ballot access, in my eyes, to invest
>>> >> national money).  What I'm less sure of, though, is that investing
>>> money
>>> >> into this campaign will achieve that.  Is the debate video available
>>> >> somewhere, or commentary saying he won the debate?  That makes a
>>> difference,
>>> >> and I can certainly see the value of $5,000 to amplify that if it is
>>> >> credible and exists.
>>> >>
>>> >> I also note that, while it's a 3-way race, the Democrat doesn't
>>> strike me
>>> >> as particularly serious, which could be an opportunity.  I don't think
>>> >> either of those candidates has been able to demonstrate that they
>>> care, and
>>> >> if Wicks can do that, if he had debate moments like Bill Clinton's
>>> answer on
>>> >> the national debt in that town hall debate, and we can make an ad
>>> with a 5
>>> >> second clip like that, I'm sold.
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm less excited about the fact that this is an at-large Congressional
>>> >> seat.  Yes, online ads have the greatest reach, but don't across to
>>> most as
>>> >> being as credible, and there's no other real way for him, with his
>>> budget,
>>> >> to reach across the state.
>>> >>
>>> >> He is right that $5,000 is a small amount to invest.  I don't like
>>> >> investing small amounts.  As I argued at the last meeting about the
>>> >> consultants, people tell you what they are worth.  Someone pricing
>>> >> themselves well below market is telling you something.  Wicks is not
>>> pricing
>>> >> himself low, but I'm not convinced that $5,000 can do anything for
>>> him.  It
>>> >> can get him an online ad, but I'm not sure it can get enough
>>> impressions to
>>> >> get people talking.  So let me ask against - what is the maximum we
>>> can
>>> >> give?  Also, if we gave more than $5,000, does he have the campaign
>>> >> infrastructure to use it effectively?  I'm more interested in
>>> spending money
>>> >> where it can do good than in minimizing the money spent in a given
>>> place.
>>> >>
>>> >> I like that the ask is for less than he's raised.  I'm less thrilled
>>> that,
>>> >> with the full ask, he'd have $11,600 for a statewide Congressional
>>> race.
>>> >> I'm not concerned about that because it's not enough to win - I'm
>>> concerned
>>> >> about that because I don't know that it's enough to be heard outside
>>> of a
>>> >> small echo chamber.
>>> >>
>>> >> He has a very nice website.  It looks good, it draws you in, it's
>>> fairly
>>> >> interactive, and it focuses on applying our ideas in ways that matter
>>> to
>>> >> Montanans.  On the other hand, with $6k raised, he didn't use a
>>> professional
>>> >> photographer, I think, for his photos.  He looks much better in his
>>> tv shots
>>> >> than in his own pictures.
>>> >>
>>> >> Bernie Sanders is campaigning for the Democrat (like I said, not
>>> serious)
>>> >> while Trump and Pence are both campaigning for the Republican.  The
>>> >> Republicans, between party and PACs, are spending $1,600,000.
>>> Democrats are
>>> >> spending somewhere in the 6 digits.  I don't think $11,600 is enough
>>> to have
>>> >> a voice, but $20,000 might be, if used correctly.  This is a unique
>>> >> opportunity and a strong race.  We've already put national firepower
>>> into
>>> >> getting him into the debate.  I would like to see us give more, and
>>> >> accompany it with a national staffer acting as campaign adviser to
>>> improve a
>>> >> few of the nuts and bolts and making sure the amplification works out
>>> well.
>>> >> In the meantime, I will cosponsor a motion to give $5,000.  I will not
>>> >> cosponsor a motion to give $2,500.
>>> >>
>>> >> On the bigger picture: I agree that we need a better structure than
>>> having
>>> >> this board make such decisions on the basis of limited information,
>>> without
>>> >> much time to research.  I had wanted to come up with such a
>>> structure, but
>>> >> life has gotten in the way, both for me and for the LNC.  I also
>>> acknowledge
>>> >> that our budget is in a deficit - but our budget does include a line
>>> for
>>> >> candidates and campaigns, and only half of that line has been
>>> allocated, so
>>> >> we've already put aside money for this (in a sense).  Furthermore,
>>> our cash
>>> >> position is entirely the result of our own decisions.  I don't think
>>> we can
>>> >> make ourselves cash-poor, write a budget that shows a deficit (which I
>>> >> didn't vote for, for that reason among others), and then use that as a
>>> >> reason that we cannot help our candidates who can, in fact, make a
>>> >> difference and help grow this party - growth that will, hopefully,
>>> close
>>> >> that gap next year.  Last year, we took in quite a bit more than we
>>> budgeted
>>> >> for - in large part based on the attention our national ticket was
>>> getting,
>>> >> and in large part because, I think, people wanted us to support key
>>> races.
>>> >> Is this a key race?  I think it is, given the timing, the lack of a
>>> serious
>>> >> Democrat, the spending imbalance between the Rs and Ds, and so on, but
>>> >> that's for each of us to decide.  Our candidate has also not just
>>> gotten
>>> >> into a debate, but shown that he knows what he's doing once there,
>>> and in
>>> >> the process gotten himself useful soundbites for an ad campaign (I'm
>>> >> assuming affirmative answers to my questions above).
>>> >>
>>> >> Joshua A. Katz
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 4:13 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> >> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Mark Wicks provided these responses and apologized that he is not as
>>> >>> eloquent as possible as he was calling from the campaign trail:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> "I think this is being looked at the wrong way. Both parties are
>>> looking
>>> >>> for a win to prove their agenda is supported by the American people.
>>> We need
>>> >>> to show that both parties are being rejected. A win cements that but
>>> we also
>>> >>> win with better voter numbers than we have ever seen before. It gives
>>> >>> legitimacy, and that helps all of us. It sets me up for 2018 and
>>> other
>>> >>> candidates as well. We can't raise money without some measure of
>>> success.
>>> >>> $5000 is a small investment into a campaign that will pay dividends
>>> for all
>>> >>> candidates. We won a battle getting into the debate, I won the
>>> debate, now
>>> >>> we are positioning pieces for the next war and trying to inflict as
>>> much
>>> >>> damage as possible in this one."
>>> >>>
>>> >>> -Caryn Ann
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 6:08 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> >>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Alicia, yes, and running strong campaigns.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> -Caryn Ann
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 1:36 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com
>>> >
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Also, is this looking to be a 3-way race with both the Democrats
>>> and
>>> >>>>> Republicans running candidates?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> -Alicia
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> >>>>> <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On behalf of Montana candidate Mark Wicks running for the vacated
>>> seat
>>> >>>>>> by the appointment of Zinke, he is requesting the LNC assist his
>>> campaign
>>> >>>>>> financially.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I had let him know specific information we would need, and would
>>> like
>>> >>>>>> to share that information:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I know you asked for a budget for how I will spend the money and
>>> with
>>> >>>>>> time constraints and getting the word out online media seems to
>>> be the way
>>> >>>>>> to go. We have ads that are being readied and ready to go
>>> anytime. Flathead
>>> >>>>>> county is having a Liberty Bash combined with a send the work
>>> truck event.
>>> >>>>>> We can get a live remote and good online adds for $2500. That
>>> will cover the
>>> >>>>>> valley really well. The east side of the state is taken care of
>>> and all the
>>> >>>>>> big towns are covered except Great Falls. I can use as much as
>>> the LP can
>>> >>>>>> send, but I think $5000 would make a good impact. We have
>>> received $3600,
>>> >>>>>> plus I have put in about $3000 total. I can't give any measure of
>>> impact.
>>> >>>>>> People are really searching for a third choice so even minimal
>>> presentation
>>> >>>>>> will go a long ways.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> If any LNC member is interested in co-sponsoring a motion to
>>> assist in
>>> >>>>>> any amount please let me know so we can craft.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>> In Liberty,
>>> >>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> >>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> >>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>> Washington) -
>>> >>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>> >>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> >>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> >>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> >>>>>> We defend your rights
>>> >>>>>> And oppose the use of force
>>> >>>>>> Taxation is theft
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>>>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>> >>>>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> >>>>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>>> In Liberty,
>>> >>>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> >>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> >>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
>>> Washington) -
>>> >>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos at LP.org
>>> >>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> >>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> >>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> >>>> We defend your rights
>>> >>>> And oppose the use of force
>>> >>>> Taxation is theft
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> In Liberty,
>>> >>> Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> >>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona,
>>> >>> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>> >>> Harlos at LP.org
>>> >>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> >>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> >>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>> >>>
>>> >>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> >>> We defend your rights
>>> >>> And oppose the use of force
>>> >>> Taxation is theft
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>> >>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> >>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
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>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > In Liberty,
>>> > Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona,
>>> > Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -
>>> Caryn.Ann.
>>> > Harlos at LP.org
>>> > Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> > Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>> >
>>> > A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> > We defend your rights
>>> > And oppose the use of force
>>> > Taxation is theft
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Lnc-business mailing list
>>> > Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> > http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>> >
>>>
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>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>
>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>
>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>
>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Lnc-business mailing list
>>> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
>>>
>>>
>>
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