[Lnc-business] Libertarian National Committee Resolution on Military Members in the Libertarian Party

Sat May 20 17:28:00 EDT 2017

I don't think its a vote yet.  I am very confused.

But my conscience is clear and I am representing the bottom up from my
region.  That is all I can do.  And I think this is all a case of us
believing we are the dog and not the tail.

But this is the last of my mental angst I am spending on this, I missed
collecting signatures today because of this and realized, enough is enough.

-Caryn Ann

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 3:15 PM, David Demarest <dpdemarest at centurylink.net>
wrote:

> Dear LNC Members,
>
>
>
> Upon careful reflection, I expressly vote *NO* on the “Libertarian
> National Committee Resolution on Military Members in the Libertarian Party”
> motion.
>
>
>
> This perhaps well-intended but knee-jerk response to our current
> discomforts disingenuously blamed on Arvin Vohra is a mixed bag that
> contains several excellent and accurate reflections of our principles on
> the overreach and abuses of the military-industrial-government monolith.
> Unfortunately, this motion is sullied by several politically-correct
> platitudes for the obvious purpose of enticing votes from veterans in
> support of top-down Libertarian candidates. These platitudes, ostensibly
> offered in the name of smoothing over the unintended consequences of this
> uninspiring political-correctness orgy, may feel good to some but will fool
> no one. Did similar politically-correct platitudes work in the 2016
> presidential election?
>
>
>
> I have empathy for hard-working “earned-luncher” veterans and citizens who
> embrace the rigors of the free market and are faced with moral dilemma
> decisions accompanied with associated guilt-feeling consequences that force
> them into the dismaying choice between economically non-competitive
> marginal subsistence or compromising their conscience in the food fight
> with the “free-luncher” consortium of authoritarian preference-dispensers
> and responsibility-abdicators who expressly avoid the rigors of the free
> market to gain votes or government-pandered preferences in exchange for
> votes paid for by “earned luncher” veterans and citizens.
>
>
>
> However, I have little empathy for Libertarians who succumb to the
> temptation to wallow in political correctness and political damage control
> for the express purpose of getting elected. We already have two parties
> with discredited political-correctness policies and platforms. We do not
> need a third. We can do better. We must do better if we seriously intend to
> achieve freedom, nothing more, nothing less, instead of becoming the third
> leg addition to the cronyism-riddled broken two-party system that is
> accelerating toward predictable cyclic economic and societal collapse.
>
>
>
> I urge other LNC members to thoughtfully examine their conscience, moral
> premises and the dangers of political correctness as they vote on this
> motion. There are better ways for Libertarians to gain the confidence of
> veteran voters. We would be better served to avoid political correctness
> orgies and work together with veterans and citizens to help them find
> solutions to the growing tsunami of government-imposed moral dilemmas. I
> volunteer to be part of that inspiring process that has a far greater
> chance of success than intellectually offensive, morally disgusting and
> transparent political-correctness orgies that fool no one.
>
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> ~David
>
>
>
> *Dec 28-Jan 1 Omaha Roads to Liberty Un-Convention*
>
>
>
> ~David Pratt Demarest
>
> LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI)
>
> Secretary, LPNE State Central Committee
>
> Cell:      402-981-6469 <(402)%20981-6469>
>
> Home: 402-493-0873 <(402)%20493-0873>
>
>
>
> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Daniel Hayes
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 20, 2017 1:30 PM
> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Libertarian National Committee Resolution
> on Military Members in the Libertarian Party
>
>
>
> The first clause of the resolution I drafted was the
> following...straightfrom 1.9.
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>
>
> "*Whereas, the only legitimate use of force is in defense of individual
> rights—life, liberty, and justly acquired property—against aggression. This
> right inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided by any other
> individual or group.  "*
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>
> I dropped it. I didn't need to recreate the entire platform. I was trying
> to keep this tightly focused.  We libertarians tend to not know when to
> stop. We end up stepping in the minutia. We need to understand that
> sometimes less is more.  The shorter the read the more likely it is read.
>
>
>
> I leave people with this video gem to ponder.  *David Nolan Alert*
>
>
>
> https://youtu.be/056C4wM9niQ
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>
> Daniel Hayes
>
> LNC At Large Member
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 20, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I have heard from a super-majority of the Region 1 Chairs and cast my vote
> as yes.
>
>
>
> However, there were concerns expressed by Montana about language that I
> agreed to put on the record.  The "policeman" language, while it is in the
> Platform,  might be seen to impugn a legitimate policing function of - as
> 1.9 says - assisting in the defense of persons who request assistance.
> There might be another concern to be placed on the record about the use of
> the word "corrupt" - if I am asked to, I will note them.
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 1:54 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Daniel,
>
> You receive them because you use an @iCloud email address.  When Jeff's
> situation happens, the Yahoo and Gmail users don't receive it.
>
> -Alicia
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:48 AM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
> wrote:
>
> Apparently I think I get all of Jeff's emails.  Not sure if I get Tim's
> when they go awry. I don't think I do but I am just now paying more
> attention to that.
>
>
>
> Daniel
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 20, 2017, at 2:42 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Daniel,
>
> Yep, working on setting up my record-keeping now for it.  Thanks for
> passing along Jeff's message for me.
>
> -Alicia
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:29 AM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
> wrote:
>
> Alicia,
>
>
>
> Not sure if you have to dig in the sever to see with the email hide and
> seek going on. Jeff and Tim have Co-sponsored.  With you that should be the
> 4 needed.
>
>
>
> Daniel
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 20, 2017, at 2:12 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I will co-sponsor.
>
> -Alicia
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 9:51 PM, <danielehayes at icloud.com> wrote:
>
> I am seeking co-sponsors for the following resolution.
>
> Daniel Hayes
> LNC At Large Member
>
> Whereas, We support the maintenance of a sufficient military to defend the
> United States against aggression and believe that the United States should
> both avoid entangling alliances and abandon its attempts to act as
> policeman for the world;
>
>
>
> Whereas, We oppose any form of compulsory national service and recognize
> that many members of the military were unjustly conscripted in the past;
>
> Whereas, Most voluntary members of the military joined with the idea
> and/or goal of defending the United States and, thereby, their property,
> families, and friends;
>
>
>
> Whereas, The United States Military-Industrial-Complex has used many
> well-meaning military service members for purposes other than defense
> against aggression and further involved them in foreign entanglements
> during attempts to act as the world’s policeman; and
>
>
>
> Whereas, Many current and former military service members are able to
> relate, identify, and speak out on the ways in which the United States
> military mission has been expanded and corrupted beyond a legitimate role
> of defense against aggression; now, therefore, be it;
>
>
> Resolved, Present and former members of the military who give such unique
> and powerful voice to the libertarian principles of peace and the
> non-initiation of force add great value to the Libertarian Party, and are
> welcomed as a vital part of our membership.
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
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> --
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> *In Liberty,*
>
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
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> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>
> *We defend your rights*
>
> *And oppose the use of force*
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> *Taxation is theft*
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-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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