[Lnc-business] Libertarian National Committee Resolution on Military Members in the Libertarian Party
Daniel Hayes
danielehayes at icloud.com
Sat May 20 20:51:38 EDT 2017
David,
Stop projecting. There is a difference between targeting and tailoring a message to an audience and pandering. In his own words our vice chair seemed to say he is pandering to Ancaps.
People need to stop being so hypocritical and look in the mirror. One could very reasonably construe you CCing a chairman from another state on your last insulting and inflammatory email as CLEAR pandering. You had stated you would vote Yes for my motion. Instead you have pandered to a group outside your region.
Since you have this continued pattern of insulting, insinuating emails, I am pointing that out. If you were representing your region your vote would have been a YES from what I gathered from your region's Chairs and EC members.
You're engaged in you own brand of political correctness. Stop pandering and start representing your region. Every email you write these days is filled with veiled insults and innuendo. It's not productive.
Let me also be clear. This isn't because you voted "no" to the resolution. It's the way in which you did it.
Daniel Hayes
LNC At Large Member
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 20, 2017, at 4:15 PM, David Demarest <dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
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> Dear LNC Members,
>
> Upon careful reflection, I expressly vote NO on the “Libertarian National Committee Resolution on Military Members in the Libertarian Party” motion.
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> This perhaps well-intended but knee-jerk response to our current discomforts disingenuously blamed on Arvin Vohra is a mixed bag that contains several excellent and accurate reflections of our principles on the overreach and abuses of the military-industrial-government monolith. Unfortunately, this motion is sullied by several politically-correct platitudes for the obvious purpose of enticing votes from veterans in support of top-down Libertarian candidates. These platitudes, ostensibly offered in the name of smoothing over the unintended consequences of this uninspiring political-correctness orgy, may feel good to some but will fool no one. Did similar politically-correct platitudes work in the 2016 presidential election?
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> I have empathy for hard-working “earned-luncher” veterans and citizens who embrace the rigors of the free market and are faced with moral dilemma decisions accompanied with associated guilt-feeling consequences that force them into the dismaying choice between economically non-competitive marginal subsistence or compromising their conscience in the food fight with the “free-luncher” consortium of authoritarian preference-dispensers and responsibility-abdicators who expressly avoid the rigors of the free market to gain votes or government-pandered preferences in exchange for votes paid for by “earned luncher” veterans and citizens.
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> However, I have little empathy for Libertarians who succumb to the temptation to wallow in political correctness and political damage control for the express purpose of getting elected. We already have two parties with discredited political-correctness policies and platforms. We do not need a third. We can do better. We must do better if we seriously intend to achieve freedom, nothing more, nothing less, instead of becoming the third leg addition to the cronyism-riddled broken two-party system that is accelerating toward predictable cyclic economic and societal collapse.
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> I urge other LNC members to thoughtfully examine their conscience, moral premises and the dangers of political correctness as they vote on this motion. There are better ways for Libertarians to gain the confidence of veteran voters. We would be better served to avoid political correctness orgies and work together with veterans and citizens to help them find solutions to the growing tsunami of government-imposed moral dilemmas. I volunteer to be part of that inspiring process that has a far greater chance of success than intellectually offensive, morally disgusting and transparent political-correctness orgies that fool no one.
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> Thoughts?
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> ~David
>
> Dec 28-Jan 1 Omaha Roads to Liberty Un-Convention
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> ~David Pratt Demarest
> LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI)
> Secretary, LPNE State Central Committee
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> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Hayes
> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 1:30 PM
> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Libertarian National Committee Resolution on Military Members in the Libertarian Party
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> The first clause of the resolution I drafted was the following...straightfrom 1.9.
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> "Whereas, the only legitimate use of force is in defense of individual rights—life, liberty, and justly acquired property—against aggression. This right inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided by any other individual or group. "
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> I dropped it. I didn't need to recreate the entire platform. I was trying to keep this tightly focused. We libertarians tend to not know when to stop. We end up stepping in the minutia. We need to understand that sometimes less is more. The shorter the read the more likely it is read.
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> I leave people with this video gem to ponder. *David Nolan Alert*
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> https://youtu.be/056C4wM9niQ
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>
> Daniel Hayes
> LNC At Large Member
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On May 20, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
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> I have heard from a super-majority of the Region 1 Chairs and cast my vote as yes.
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> However, there were concerns expressed by Montana about language that I agreed to put on the record. The "policeman" language, while it is in the Platform, might be seen to impugn a legitimate policing function of - as 1.9 says - assisting in the defense of persons who request assistance. There might be another concern to be placed on the record about the use of the word "corrupt" - if I am asked to, I will note them.
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> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 1:54 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:
> Daniel,
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> You receive them because you use an @iCloud email address. When Jeff's situation happens, the Yahoo and Gmail users don't receive it.
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> -Alicia
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>
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> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:48 AM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com> wrote:
> Apparently I think I get all of Jeff's emails. Not sure if I get Tim's when they go awry. I don't think I do but I am just now paying more attention to that.
>
> Daniel
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On May 20, 2017, at 2:42 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Daniel,
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> Yep, working on setting up my record-keeping now for it. Thanks for passing along Jeff's message for me.
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> -Alicia
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>
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> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:29 AM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com> wrote:
> Alicia,
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> Not sure if you have to dig in the sever to see with the email hide and seek going on. Jeff and Tim have Co-sponsored. With you that should be the 4 needed.
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> Daniel
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On May 20, 2017, at 2:12 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:
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> I will co-sponsor.
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> -Alicia
>
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> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 9:51 PM, <danielehayes at icloud.com> wrote:
> I am seeking co-sponsors for the following resolution.
>
> Daniel Hayes
> LNC At Large Member
>
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> Whereas, We support the maintenance of a sufficient military to defend the United States against aggression and believe that the United States should both avoid entangling alliances and abandon its attempts to act as policeman for the world;
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> Whereas, We oppose any form of compulsory national service and recognize that many members of the military were unjustly conscripted in the past;
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> Whereas, Most voluntary members of the military joined with the idea and/or goal of defending the United States and, thereby, their property, families, and friends;
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> Whereas, The United States Military-Industrial-Complex has used many well-meaning military service members for purposes other than defense against aggression and further involved them in foreign entanglements during attempts to act as the world’s policeman; and
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> Whereas, Many current and former military service members are able to relate, identify, and speak out on the ways in which the United States military mission has been expanded and corrupted beyond a legitimate role of defense against aggression; now, therefore, be it;
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> Resolved, Present and former members of the military who give such unique and powerful voice to the libertarian principles of peace and the non-initiation of force add great value to the Libertarian Party, and are welcomed as a vital part of our membership.
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