[Lnc-business] Libertarian National Committee Resolution on Military Members in the Libertarian Party

Sat May 20 20:53:32 EDT 2017

Thank you Alicia, I was very confused.

-Caryn Ann

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:39 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Caryn Ann,
>
> Yes, there is an email ballot.  Yes, you voted in the wrong thread, but I
> found it and counted it.  You're looking for the aptly-named "Email Ballot
> 2017-11: Military Members" thread.
>
> -Alicia
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Did I vote in the wrong thread?  Or is there no vote yet.... I am so
>> confused.
>>
>> If there is no vote yet, consider me a co-sponsor.  If there is, will
>> someone please bump it so I can vote.
>>
>> I am very tired.
>>
>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The first clause of the resolution I drafted was the
>>> following...straightfrom 1.9.
>>>
>>> "*Whereas, the only legitimate use of force is in defense of individual
>>> rights—life, liberty, and justly acquired property—against aggression. This
>>> right inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided by any other
>>> individual or group.  "*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I dropped it. I didn't need to recreate the entire platform. I was
>>> trying to keep this tightly focused.  We libertarians tend to not know when
>>> to stop. We end up stepping in the minutia. We need to understand that
>>> sometimes less is more.  The shorter the read the more likely it is read.
>>>
>>> I leave people with this video gem to ponder.  *David Nolan Alert*
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/056C4wM9niQ
>>>
>>>
>>> Daniel Hayes
>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 20, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have heard from a super-majority of the Region 1 Chairs and cast my
>>> vote as yes.
>>>
>>> However, there were concerns expressed by Montana about language that I
>>> agreed to put on the record.  The "policeman" language, while it is in the
>>> Platform,  might be seen to impugn a legitimate policing function of - as
>>> 1.9 says - assisting in the defense of persons who request assistance.
>>> There might be another concern to be placed on the record about the use of
>>> the word "corrupt" - if I am asked to, I will note them.
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 1:54 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Daniel,
>>>>
>>>> You receive them because you use an @iCloud email address.  When Jeff's
>>>> situation happens, the Yahoo and Gmail users don't receive it.
>>>>
>>>> -Alicia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:48 AM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Apparently I think I get all of Jeff's emails.  Not sure if I get
>>>>> Tim's when they go awry. I don't think I do but I am just now paying more
>>>>> attention to that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 20, 2017, at 2:42 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Daniel,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep, working on setting up my record-keeping now for it.  Thanks for
>>>>> passing along Jeff's message for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:29 AM, Daniel Hayes <
>>>>> danielehayes at icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Alicia,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not sure if you have to dig in the sever to see with the email hide
>>>>>> and seek going on. Jeff and Tim have Co-sponsored.  With you that should be
>>>>>> the 4 needed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 20, 2017, at 2:12 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will co-sponsor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 9:51 PM, <danielehayes at icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am seeking co-sponsors for the following resolution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whereas, We support the maintenance of a sufficient military to
>>>>>>> defend the United States against aggression and believe that the United
>>>>>>> States should both avoid entangling alliances and abandon its attempts to
>>>>>>> act as policeman for the world;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whereas, We oppose any form of compulsory national service and
>>>>>>> recognize that many members of the military were unjustly conscripted in
>>>>>>> the past;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whereas, Most voluntary members of the military joined with the idea
>>>>>>> and/or goal of defending the United States and, thereby, their property,
>>>>>>> families, and friends;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whereas, The United States Military-Industrial-Complex has used many
>>>>>>> well-meaning military service members for purposes other than defense
>>>>>>> against aggression and further involved them in foreign entanglements
>>>>>>> during attempts to act as the world’s policeman; and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whereas, Many current and former military service members are able
>>>>>>> to relate, identify, and speak out on the ways in which the United States
>>>>>>> military mission has been expanded and corrupted beyond a legitimate role
>>>>>>> of defense against aggression; now, therefore, be it;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Resolved, Present and former members of the military who give such
>>>>>>> unique and powerful voice to the libertarian principles of peace and the
>>>>>>> non-initiation of force add great value to the Libertarian Party, and are
>>>>>>> welcomed as a vital part of our membership.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>>>>>> Windows 10
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>
>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> *We defend your rights*
>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>
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>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> *We defend your rights*
>> *And oppose the use of force*
>> *Taxation is theft*
>>
>>
>>
>>
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-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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