[Lnc-business] Libertarian National Committee Resolution on Military Members in the Libertarian Party

Sat May 20 19:39:51 EDT 2017

Caryn Ann,

Yes, there is an email ballot.  Yes, you voted in the wrong thread, but I
found it and counted it.  You're looking for the aptly-named "Email Ballot
2017-11: Military Members" thread.

-Alicia

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Did I vote in the wrong thread?  Or is there no vote yet.... I am so
> confused.
>
> If there is no vote yet, consider me a co-sponsor.  If there is, will
> someone please bump it so I can vote.
>
> I am very tired.
>
> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The first clause of the resolution I drafted was the
>> following...straightfrom 1.9.
>>
>> "*Whereas, the only legitimate use of force is in defense of individual
>> rights—life, liberty, and justly acquired property—against aggression. This
>> right inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided by any other
>> individual or group.  "*
>>
>>
>>
>> I dropped it. I didn't need to recreate the entire platform. I was trying
>> to keep this tightly focused.  We libertarians tend to not know when to
>> stop. We end up stepping in the minutia. We need to understand that
>> sometimes less is more.  The shorter the read the more likely it is read.
>>
>> I leave people with this video gem to ponder.  *David Nolan Alert*
>>
>> https://youtu.be/056C4wM9niQ
>>
>>
>> Daniel Hayes
>> LNC At Large Member
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 20, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I have heard from a super-majority of the Region 1 Chairs and cast my
>> vote as yes.
>>
>> However, there were concerns expressed by Montana about language that I
>> agreed to put on the record.  The "policeman" language, while it is in the
>> Platform,  might be seen to impugn a legitimate policing function of - as
>> 1.9 says - assisting in the defense of persons who request assistance.
>> There might be another concern to be placed on the record about the use of
>> the word "corrupt" - if I am asked to, I will note them.
>>
>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 1:54 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Daniel,
>>>
>>> You receive them because you use an @iCloud email address.  When Jeff's
>>> situation happens, the Yahoo and Gmail users don't receive it.
>>>
>>> -Alicia
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:48 AM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Apparently I think I get all of Jeff's emails.  Not sure if I get Tim's
>>>> when they go awry. I don't think I do but I am just now paying more
>>>> attention to that.
>>>>
>>>> Daniel
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On May 20, 2017, at 2:42 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Daniel,
>>>>
>>>> Yep, working on setting up my record-keeping now for it.  Thanks for
>>>> passing along Jeff's message for me.
>>>>
>>>> -Alicia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:29 AM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Alicia,
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure if you have to dig in the sever to see with the email hide
>>>>> and seek going on. Jeff and Tim have Co-sponsored.  With you that should be
>>>>> the 4 needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 20, 2017, at 2:12 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I will co-sponsor.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Alicia
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 9:51 PM, <danielehayes at icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am seeking co-sponsors for the following resolution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whereas, We support the maintenance of a sufficient military to
>>>>>> defend the United States against aggression and believe that the United
>>>>>> States should both avoid entangling alliances and abandon its attempts to
>>>>>> act as policeman for the world;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whereas, We oppose any form of compulsory national service and
>>>>>> recognize that many members of the military were unjustly conscripted in
>>>>>> the past;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whereas, Most voluntary members of the military joined with the idea
>>>>>> and/or goal of defending the United States and, thereby, their property,
>>>>>> families, and friends;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whereas, The United States Military-Industrial-Complex has used many
>>>>>> well-meaning military service members for purposes other than defense
>>>>>> against aggression and further involved them in foreign entanglements
>>>>>> during attempts to act as the world’s policeman; and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whereas, Many current and former military service members are able to
>>>>>> relate, identify, and speak out on the ways in which the United States
>>>>>> military mission has been expanded and corrupted beyond a legitimate role
>>>>>> of defense against aggression; now, therefore, be it;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Resolved, Present and former members of the military who give such
>>>>>> unique and powerful voice to the libertarian principles of peace and the
>>>>>> non-initiation of force add great value to the Libertarian Party, and are
>>>>>> welcomed as a vital part of our membership.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>>>>> Windows 10
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> *We defend your rights*
>> *And oppose the use of force*
>> *Taxation is theft*
>>
>>
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>
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> *We defend your rights*
> *And oppose the use of force*
> *Taxation is theft*
>
>
>
>
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