[Lnc-business] Seeking Cosponsors - Motion on Military Policy

Wed May 31 22:19:41 EDT 2017

Quick note - I should point out that this topic is a major news issue right
now, as Trump appears to be renegotiating NATO, or posturing to that
effect.

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 9:07 PM, David Demarest <dpdemarest at centurylink.net>
wrote:

> Arvin,
>
>
>
> All of us struggle with the moral dilemma of political correctness versus
> intellectual integrity. I have a concern about the timing of your motion
> but my concern could conceivably represent political correctness. Your
> motion goes straight to the heart of addressing Libertarian positions on
> military policy overreach without a hint of political correctness. The
> previous motion, while primarily technically correct, was rife with
> political correctness in both tone and intent not to mention one Whereas
> that was incomplete, a second that was partially correct but flawed with
> dubious and unsubstantiated accuracy and a third that was deliberately
> omitted for obvious political correctness reasons despite its usual
> inclusion in Libertarian position statements on military matters.
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>
>
> Arvin, I would like your thoughts on the timing of your motion. I will
> consider cosponsoring. Given the current pervasive mood of political
> correctness, it will be interesting to compare support of the previous
> motion to your motion. Thank you for offering a motion that is profoundly
> correct and entirely devoid of political correctness.
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> Thoughts?
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> ~David
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> ~David Pratt Demarest
>
> LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI)
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> Secretary, LPNE State Central Committee
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> Cell:      402-981-6469 <(402)%20981-6469>
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> Home: 402-493-0873 <(402)%20493-0873>
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> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:05 PM
> *To:* Libertarian National Committee list <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Seeking Cosponsors - Motion on Military
> Policy
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>
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> FYI - one of my other state chairs (UT) informed me in no uncertain terms
> that he wished his regional representative to be too busy doing other
> things at this time and not to be involved in these things.  There is a
> special election coming up in UT and other projects that can unite and
> bring some positive energy.
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> I have spoken personally before with the rest of the Chairs - I have a
> good sense of their mood, and I don't anticipate there being any push for
> me to entangle myself in this.
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> -Caryn Ann
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> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
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> I understand Arvin, but I think there will be opportunity to clarify our
> stand, and right now my region is weary from divisiveness.  Since I do
> share a home with one of the regional chairs (CO) I sought his opinion, and
> he said precisely what I said above - the definite mood in my last
> communications with the region on this is that they wish their regional
> representative to be doing other things.  At another time perhaps they
> would be more conducive.  I understand you sent this to the State Chairs
> list, if any of my regional chairs strongly wants to support, they know to
> be in touch with me.
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>
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> I know I operate my regional representation different from others, and
> there is no one size fits all, but I try to be participatory and keep in
> mind that I represent others, not just myself, and I just don't see my
> region as being behind it.
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> I am open, however, to having my mind changed by members and leaders in my
> region.  I posted this in my regional discussion group.
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> -Caryn Ann
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> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi Caryn Ann,
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>
>
> Thanks for your reply on this. Given that we have a resolution that was
> just sent to the entire membership, and will be posted on the main facebook
> page about military individuals, it seems very, very remiss to ignore
> military policy. With one resolution standing, our stance will almost
> certainly be misunderstood to be the militarist one.
>
>
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> All that most Libertarians will see from us, aside from the few that are
> my personal facebook friends, will be a heavily pro-military resolution
> during a time of unconscionable military action. To fail to speak on this
> at this time would be misleading and detrimental to our movement.
>
>
>
> In Liberty,
>
>
>
> Arvin
>
>
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> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> While I am sympathetic and would be inclined to vote yes and generally
> like to co-sponsor almost anything, I do not think my regional chairs want
> to be asked about another resolution on this topic at this time, so out of
> respect for their pretty clear sentiments last time, I cannot co-sponsor.
> If it gets enough co-sponsors and comes up for a vote, I will then poll my
> chairs, but right now they are weary and busy, and without a specific
> triggering event, I think I am respecting their wishes to sit it out unless
> it comes to a vote.
>
>
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> My personal advice:  revisit this at some other time.  Though I know
> Facebook is its own unique microcosm, we need a uniting event not another
> polarizing one.  I am sure Mr. Trump will give us plenty of opportunities
> to issue strident resolutions.  I love me some strident resolutions.  It
> just isn't the time and I know I differ from other regional representatives
> in this, I try to honour the wishes of my state chairs unless my conscience
> really compels me otherwise.
>
>
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am seeking cosponsors for the following draft motion:
>
>
>
> Whereas The U.S. spends more on military than the next 8 nations combined
>
> Whereas, involvement in NATO has caused the U.S. to build a military much
> larger than what is needed for defense
>
> Whereas, current military policy has destabilized regions and lead to
> blowback and contributed to terrorist recruitment
>
> Whereas, trade has been able to stop problematic ideologies when violence
> could not, as has happened in Vietnam
>
> Whereas current military policy has misused many well meaning individuals
> for purposes other than defense against aggression often as parts of
> attempts to act as the world’s policeman
>
> Resolved, The Libertarian National Committee rejects and repudiates the
> current U.S. military policy of overreach, world policing, and nation
> building; demands that the U.S. military immediately shut down all foreign
> military bases, cease involvement in foreign conflicts, end all current
> foreign military operations, and bring the troops home; demands that
> military spending and employment, if any, be reduced to the level necessary
> only for defense; demands immediate U.S. withdrawal from NATO; and demands
> an end to all trade sanctions.
>
> In Liberty,
>
> Arvin Vohra
> Vice Chair
> Libertarian Party
>
>
>
>
> --
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> Arvin Vohra
>
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> VoteVohra at gmail.com
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> *In Liberty,*
>
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
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>
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>
> *We defend your rights*
>
> *And oppose the use of force*
>
> *Taxation is theft*
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> Arvin Vohra
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> --
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>
>
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>
> *We defend your rights*
>
> *And oppose the use of force*
>
> *Taxation is theft*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *In Liberty,*
>
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>
>
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>
> *We defend your rights*
>
> *And oppose the use of force*
>
> *Taxation is theft*
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Lnc-business mailing list
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