[Lnc-business] Seeking Cosponsors - Motion on Military Policy

Wed May 31 22:34:27 EDT 2017

Please, no. Can we just let this lie quietly for a few weeks? Can we just
say NOTHING about this topic for a few weeks, please.

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:19 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com> wrote:

> Quick note - I should point out that this topic is a major news issue
> right now, as Trump appears to be renegotiating NATO, or posturing to that
> effect.
>
> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 9:07 PM, David Demarest <
> dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
>
>> Arvin,
>>
>>
>>
>> All of us struggle with the moral dilemma of political correctness versus
>> intellectual integrity. I have a concern about the timing of your motion
>> but my concern could conceivably represent political correctness. Your
>> motion goes straight to the heart of addressing Libertarian positions on
>> military policy overreach without a hint of political correctness. The
>> previous motion, while primarily technically correct, was rife with
>> political correctness in both tone and intent not to mention one Whereas
>> that was incomplete, a second that was partially correct but flawed with
>> dubious and unsubstantiated accuracy and a third that was deliberately
>> omitted for obvious political correctness reasons despite its usual
>> inclusion in Libertarian position statements on military matters.
>>
>>
>>
>> Arvin, I would like your thoughts on the timing of your motion. I will
>> consider cosponsoring. Given the current pervasive mood of political
>> correctness, it will be interesting to compare support of the previous
>> motion to your motion. Thank you for offering a motion that is profoundly
>> correct and entirely devoid of political correctness.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>> ~David
>>
>>
>>
>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>
>> LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI)
>>
>> Secretary, LPNE State Central Committee
>>
>> Cell:      402-981-6469 <(402)%20981-6469>
>>
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>>
>>
>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
>> Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:05 PM
>> *To:* Libertarian National Committee list <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Seeking Cosponsors - Motion on Military
>> Policy
>>
>>
>>
>> FYI - one of my other state chairs (UT) informed me in no uncertain terms
>> that he wished his regional representative to be too busy doing other
>> things at this time and not to be involved in these things.  There is a
>> special election coming up in UT and other projects that can unite and
>> bring some positive energy.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have spoken personally before with the rest of the Chairs - I have a
>> good sense of their mood, and I don't anticipate there being any push for
>> me to entangle myself in this.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I understand Arvin, but I think there will be opportunity to clarify our
>> stand, and right now my region is weary from divisiveness.  Since I do
>> share a home with one of the regional chairs (CO) I sought his opinion, and
>> he said precisely what I said above - the definite mood in my last
>> communications with the region on this is that they wish their regional
>> representative to be doing other things.  At another time perhaps they
>> would be more conducive.  I understand you sent this to the State Chairs
>> list, if any of my regional chairs strongly wants to support, they know to
>> be in touch with me.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know I operate my regional representation different from others, and
>> there is no one size fits all, but I try to be participatory and keep in
>> mind that I represent others, not just myself, and I just don't see my
>> region as being behind it.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am open, however, to having my mind changed by members and leaders in
>> my region.  I posted this in my regional discussion group.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Caryn Ann,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your reply on this. Given that we have a resolution that was
>> just sent to the entire membership, and will be posted on the main facebook
>> page about military individuals, it seems very, very remiss to ignore
>> military policy. With one resolution standing, our stance will almost
>> certainly be misunderstood to be the militarist one.
>>
>>
>>
>> All that most Libertarians will see from us, aside from the few that are
>> my personal facebook friends, will be a heavily pro-military resolution
>> during a time of unconscionable military action. To fail to speak on this
>> at this time would be misleading and detrimental to our movement.
>>
>>
>>
>> In Liberty,
>>
>>
>>
>> Arvin
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> While I am sympathetic and would be inclined to vote yes and generally
>> like to co-sponsor almost anything, I do not think my regional chairs want
>> to be asked about another resolution on this topic at this time, so out of
>> respect for their pretty clear sentiments last time, I cannot co-sponsor.
>> If it gets enough co-sponsors and comes up for a vote, I will then poll my
>> chairs, but right now they are weary and busy, and without a specific
>> triggering event, I think I am respecting their wishes to sit it out unless
>> it comes to a vote.
>>
>>
>>
>> My personal advice:  revisit this at some other time.  Though I know
>> Facebook is its own unique microcosm, we need a uniting event not another
>> polarizing one.  I am sure Mr. Trump will give us plenty of opportunities
>> to issue strident resolutions.  I love me some strident resolutions.  It
>> just isn't the time and I know I differ from other regional representatives
>> in this, I try to honour the wishes of my state chairs unless my conscience
>> really compels me otherwise.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am seeking cosponsors for the following draft motion:
>>
>>
>>
>> Whereas The U.S. spends more on military than the next 8 nations combined
>>
>> Whereas, involvement in NATO has caused the U.S. to build a military much
>> larger than what is needed for defense
>>
>> Whereas, current military policy has destabilized regions and lead to
>> blowback and contributed to terrorist recruitment
>>
>> Whereas, trade has been able to stop problematic ideologies when violence
>> could not, as has happened in Vietnam
>>
>> Whereas current military policy has misused many well meaning individuals
>> for purposes other than defense against aggression often as parts of
>> attempts to act as the world’s policeman
>>
>> Resolved, The Libertarian National Committee rejects and repudiates the
>> current U.S. military policy of overreach, world policing, and nation
>> building; demands that the U.S. military immediately shut down all foreign
>> military bases, cease involvement in foreign conflicts, end all current
>> foreign military operations, and bring the troops home; demands that
>> military spending and employment, if any, be reduced to the level necessary
>> only for defense; demands immediate U.S. withdrawal from NATO; and demands
>> an end to all trade sanctions.
>>
>> In Liberty,
>>
>> Arvin Vohra
>> Vice Chair
>> Libertarian Party
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Arvin Vohra
>>
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>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
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>>
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>>
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>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>
>>
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>
>> *We defend your rights*
>>
>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>
>> *Taxation is theft*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>
>>
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>
>> *We defend your rights*
>>
>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>
>> *Taxation is theft*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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