[Lnc-business] Seeking Cosponsors - Motion on Military Policy

Wed May 31 22:39:14 EDT 2017

I agree with Larry.

and my Region appears to agree with Larry.  My duty is to them.

-Caryn Ann

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 8:34 PM, Larry Sharpe <lsharpe at neo-sage.com> wrote:

> Please, no. Can we just let this lie quietly for a few weeks? Can we just
> say NOTHING about this topic for a few weeks, please.
>
> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:19 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Quick note - I should point out that this topic is a major news issue
>> right now, as Trump appears to be renegotiating NATO, or posturing to that
>> effect.
>>
>> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 9:07 PM, David Demarest <
>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Arvin,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All of us struggle with the moral dilemma of political correctness
>>> versus intellectual integrity. I have a concern about the timing of your
>>> motion but my concern could conceivably represent political correctness.
>>> Your motion goes straight to the heart of addressing Libertarian positions
>>> on military policy overreach without a hint of political correctness. The
>>> previous motion, while primarily technically correct, was rife with
>>> political correctness in both tone and intent not to mention one Whereas
>>> that was incomplete, a second that was partially correct but flawed with
>>> dubious and unsubstantiated accuracy and a third that was deliberately
>>> omitted for obvious political correctness reasons despite its usual
>>> inclusion in Libertarian position statements on military matters.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Arvin, I would like your thoughts on the timing of your motion. I will
>>> consider cosponsoring. Given the current pervasive mood of political
>>> correctness, it will be interesting to compare support of the previous
>>> motion to your motion. Thank you for offering a motion that is profoundly
>>> correct and entirely devoid of political correctness.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ~David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>
>>> LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI)
>>>
>>> Secretary, LPNE State Central Committee
>>>
>>> Cell:      402-981-6469 <(402)%20981-6469>
>>>
>>> Home: 402-493-0873 <(402)%20493-0873>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
>>> Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:05 PM
>>> *To:* Libertarian National Committee list <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Seeking Cosponsors - Motion on Military
>>> Policy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> FYI - one of my other state chairs (UT) informed me in no uncertain
>>> terms that he wished his regional representative to be too busy doing other
>>> things at this time and not to be involved in these things.  There is a
>>> special election coming up in UT and other projects that can unite and
>>> bring some positive energy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have spoken personally before with the rest of the Chairs - I have a
>>> good sense of their mood, and I don't anticipate there being any push for
>>> me to entangle myself in this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I understand Arvin, but I think there will be opportunity to clarify our
>>> stand, and right now my region is weary from divisiveness.  Since I do
>>> share a home with one of the regional chairs (CO) I sought his opinion, and
>>> he said precisely what I said above - the definite mood in my last
>>> communications with the region on this is that they wish their regional
>>> representative to be doing other things.  At another time perhaps they
>>> would be more conducive.  I understand you sent this to the State Chairs
>>> list, if any of my regional chairs strongly wants to support, they know to
>>> be in touch with me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know I operate my regional representation different from others, and
>>> there is no one size fits all, but I try to be participatory and keep in
>>> mind that I represent others, not just myself, and I just don't see my
>>> region as being behind it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am open, however, to having my mind changed by members and leaders in
>>> my region.  I posted this in my regional discussion group.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Caryn Ann,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for your reply on this. Given that we have a resolution that was
>>> just sent to the entire membership, and will be posted on the main facebook
>>> page about military individuals, it seems very, very remiss to ignore
>>> military policy. With one resolution standing, our stance will almost
>>> certainly be misunderstood to be the militarist one.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All that most Libertarians will see from us, aside from the few that are
>>> my personal facebook friends, will be a heavily pro-military resolution
>>> during a time of unconscionable military action. To fail to speak on this
>>> at this time would be misleading and detrimental to our movement.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In Liberty,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Arvin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> While I am sympathetic and would be inclined to vote yes and generally
>>> like to co-sponsor almost anything, I do not think my regional chairs want
>>> to be asked about another resolution on this topic at this time, so out of
>>> respect for their pretty clear sentiments last time, I cannot co-sponsor.
>>> If it gets enough co-sponsors and comes up for a vote, I will then poll my
>>> chairs, but right now they are weary and busy, and without a specific
>>> triggering event, I think I am respecting their wishes to sit it out unless
>>> it comes to a vote.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My personal advice:  revisit this at some other time.  Though I know
>>> Facebook is its own unique microcosm, we need a uniting event not another
>>> polarizing one.  I am sure Mr. Trump will give us plenty of opportunities
>>> to issue strident resolutions.  I love me some strident resolutions.  It
>>> just isn't the time and I know I differ from other regional representatives
>>> in this, I try to honour the wishes of my state chairs unless my conscience
>>> really compels me otherwise.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am seeking cosponsors for the following draft motion:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Whereas The U.S. spends more on military than the next 8 nations combined
>>>
>>> Whereas, involvement in NATO has caused the U.S. to build a military
>>> much larger than what is needed for defense
>>>
>>> Whereas, current military policy has destabilized regions and lead to
>>> blowback and contributed to terrorist recruitment
>>>
>>> Whereas, trade has been able to stop problematic ideologies when
>>> violence could not, as has happened in Vietnam
>>>
>>> Whereas current military policy has misused many well meaning
>>> individuals for purposes other than defense against aggression often as
>>> parts of attempts to act as the world’s policeman
>>>
>>> Resolved, The Libertarian National Committee rejects and repudiates the
>>> current U.S. military policy of overreach, world policing, and nation
>>> building; demands that the U.S. military immediately shut down all foreign
>>> military bases, cease involvement in foreign conflicts, end all current
>>> foreign military operations, and bring the troops home; demands that
>>> military spending and employment, if any, be reduced to the level necessary
>>> only for defense; demands immediate U.S. withdrawal from NATO; and demands
>>> an end to all trade sanctions.
>>>
>>> In Liberty,
>>>
>>> Arvin Vohra
>>> Vice Chair
>>> Libertarian Party
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Arvin Vohra
>>>
>>> www.VoteVohra.com
>>> VoteVohra at gmail.com
>>> (301) 320-3634
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Arvin Vohra
>>>
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>>> --
>>>
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>
>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>
>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>
>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>
>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>
>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>
>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
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>>
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>
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>
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-- 
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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