[Lnc-business] Seeking Cosponsors - Motion on Military Policy

Wed May 31 22:53:16 EDT 2017

Hi Caryn Ann,

Thank you for explaining and clarifying your position on this.

-Arvin

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:39 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com
> wrote:

> I agree with Larry.
>
> and my Region appears to agree with Larry.  My duty is to them.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 8:34 PM, Larry Sharpe <lsharpe at neo-sage.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Please, no. Can we just let this lie quietly for a few weeks? Can we just
>> say NOTHING about this topic for a few weeks, please.
>>
>> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:19 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Quick note - I should point out that this topic is a major news issue
>>> right now, as Trump appears to be renegotiating NATO, or posturing to that
>>> effect.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 9:07 PM, David Demarest <
>>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Arvin,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All of us struggle with the moral dilemma of political correctness
>>>> versus intellectual integrity. I have a concern about the timing of your
>>>> motion but my concern could conceivably represent political correctness.
>>>> Your motion goes straight to the heart of addressing Libertarian positions
>>>> on military policy overreach without a hint of political correctness. The
>>>> previous motion, while primarily technically correct, was rife with
>>>> political correctness in both tone and intent not to mention one Whereas
>>>> that was incomplete, a second that was partially correct but flawed with
>>>> dubious and unsubstantiated accuracy and a third that was deliberately
>>>> omitted for obvious political correctness reasons despite its usual
>>>> inclusion in Libertarian position statements on military matters.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Arvin, I would like your thoughts on the timing of your motion. I will
>>>> consider cosponsoring. Given the current pervasive mood of political
>>>> correctness, it will be interesting to compare support of the previous
>>>> motion to your motion. Thank you for offering a motion that is profoundly
>>>> correct and entirely devoid of political correctness.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ~David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>>
>>>> LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI)
>>>>
>>>> Secretary, LPNE State Central Committee
>>>>
>>>> Cell:      402-981-6469 <(402)%20981-6469>
>>>>
>>>> Home: 402-493-0873 <(402)%20493-0873>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:05 PM
>>>> *To:* Libertarian National Committee list <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Seeking Cosponsors - Motion on Military
>>>> Policy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> FYI - one of my other state chairs (UT) informed me in no uncertain
>>>> terms that he wished his regional representative to be too busy doing other
>>>> things at this time and not to be involved in these things.  There is a
>>>> special election coming up in UT and other projects that can unite and
>>>> bring some positive energy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have spoken personally before with the rest of the Chairs - I have a
>>>> good sense of their mood, and I don't anticipate there being any push for
>>>> me to entangle myself in this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I understand Arvin, but I think there will be opportunity to clarify
>>>> our stand, and right now my region is weary from divisiveness.  Since I do
>>>> share a home with one of the regional chairs (CO) I sought his opinion, and
>>>> he said precisely what I said above - the definite mood in my last
>>>> communications with the region on this is that they wish their regional
>>>> representative to be doing other things.  At another time perhaps they
>>>> would be more conducive.  I understand you sent this to the State Chairs
>>>> list, if any of my regional chairs strongly wants to support, they know to
>>>> be in touch with me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I know I operate my regional representation different from others, and
>>>> there is no one size fits all, but I try to be participatory and keep in
>>>> mind that I represent others, not just myself, and I just don't see my
>>>> region as being behind it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am open, however, to having my mind changed by members and leaders in
>>>> my region.  I posted this in my regional discussion group.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Caryn Ann,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your reply on this. Given that we have a resolution that was
>>>> just sent to the entire membership, and will be posted on the main facebook
>>>> page about military individuals, it seems very, very remiss to ignore
>>>> military policy. With one resolution standing, our stance will almost
>>>> certainly be misunderstood to be the militarist one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All that most Libertarians will see from us, aside from the few that
>>>> are my personal facebook friends, will be a heavily pro-military resolution
>>>> during a time of unconscionable military action. To fail to speak on this
>>>> at this time would be misleading and detrimental to our movement.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Arvin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> While I am sympathetic and would be inclined to vote yes and generally
>>>> like to co-sponsor almost anything, I do not think my regional chairs want
>>>> to be asked about another resolution on this topic at this time, so out of
>>>> respect for their pretty clear sentiments last time, I cannot co-sponsor.
>>>> If it gets enough co-sponsors and comes up for a vote, I will then poll my
>>>> chairs, but right now they are weary and busy, and without a specific
>>>> triggering event, I think I am respecting their wishes to sit it out unless
>>>> it comes to a vote.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My personal advice:  revisit this at some other time.  Though I know
>>>> Facebook is its own unique microcosm, we need a uniting event not another
>>>> polarizing one.  I am sure Mr. Trump will give us plenty of opportunities
>>>> to issue strident resolutions.  I love me some strident resolutions.  It
>>>> just isn't the time and I know I differ from other regional representatives
>>>> in this, I try to honour the wishes of my state chairs unless my conscience
>>>> really compels me otherwise.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am seeking cosponsors for the following draft motion:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Whereas The U.S. spends more on military than the next 8 nations
>>>> combined
>>>>
>>>> Whereas, involvement in NATO has caused the U.S. to build a military
>>>> much larger than what is needed for defense
>>>>
>>>> Whereas, current military policy has destabilized regions and lead to
>>>> blowback and contributed to terrorist recruitment
>>>>
>>>> Whereas, trade has been able to stop problematic ideologies when
>>>> violence could not, as has happened in Vietnam
>>>>
>>>> Whereas current military policy has misused many well meaning
>>>> individuals for purposes other than defense against aggression often as
>>>> parts of attempts to act as the world’s policeman
>>>>
>>>> Resolved, The Libertarian National Committee rejects and repudiates the
>>>> current U.S. military policy of overreach, world policing, and nation
>>>> building; demands that the U.S. military immediately shut down all foreign
>>>> military bases, cease involvement in foreign conflicts, end all current
>>>> foreign military operations, and bring the troops home; demands that
>>>> military spending and employment, if any, be reduced to the level necessary
>>>> only for defense; demands immediate U.S. withdrawal from NATO; and demands
>>>> an end to all trade sanctions.
>>>>
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>
>>>> Arvin Vohra
>>>> Vice Chair
>>>> Libertarian Party
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Arvin Vohra
>>>>
>>>> www.VoteVohra.com
>>>> VoteVohra at gmail.com
>>>> (301) 320-3634
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>
>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>
>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>
>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Arvin Vohra
>>>>
>>>> www.VoteVohra.com
>>>> VoteVohra at gmail.com
>>>> (301) 320-3634
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>
>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>
>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>
>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>
>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>
>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>
>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Larry
>>
>> *Larry Sharpe*
>>
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>
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> *We defend your rights*
> *And oppose the use of force*
> *Taxation is theft*
>
>
>
>
>
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>

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Arvin Vohra

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