[Lnc-business] Seeking Cosponsors - Motion on Military Policy

Thu Jun 1 09:32:22 EDT 2017

The Libertarian Party stands out in the political landscape due to a focus on carefully-thought-out, logical and innovative principles in the pursuit of freedom. Perhaps we could benefit by returning our focus in this wearying discussion to the inspirational level of principles while avoiding both political correctness and direct or implied accusatory comments and rebukes aimed at specific individuals. Of the three recent versions of the motion offered so far, I have seen only one that meets that standard. My hope is that going forward, we can learn from this incident and call upon the best within us to elevate our discourse to the high moral road of principles as we make full use of our considerable intellectual talents in applying those principles to the development of practical and enduring solutions that will further our pursuit of freedom, nothing more, nothing less. Let’s smoke the peace pipe and get on with our leadership by example agenda.

Are you in?

~David

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~David Pratt Demarest

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From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Caryn Ann Harlos
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 6:35 AM
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Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Seeking Cosponsors - Motion on Military Policy

Arvin some region 1 members have communicated their strong support.  I personally support.  I urged the members to speak to their chairs.  Again my actions are from the very clear signal I got in the last discussion.

Many people are weary.  We are but flesh.  If NATO continues to be in the news to tie it to something more concrete than the last statement, that will be relevant.

-Caryn Ann 

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 8:54 PM Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com <mailto:votevohra at gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Caryn Ann,

Thank you for explaining and clarifying your position on this.

-Arvin

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:39 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com <mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com> > wrote:

I agree with Larry.

and my Region appears to agree with Larry.  My duty is to them.

-Caryn Ann

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 8:34 PM, Larry Sharpe <lsharpe at neo-sage.com <mailto:lsharpe at neo-sage.com> > wrote:

Please, no. Can we just let this lie quietly for a few weeks? Can we just say NOTHING about this topic for a few weeks, please.

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:19 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com <mailto:votevohra at gmail.com> > wrote:

Quick note - I should point out that this topic is a major news issue right now, as Trump appears to be renegotiating NATO, or posturing to that effect. 

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 9:07 PM, David Demarest <dpdemarest at centurylink.net <mailto:dpdemarest at centurylink.net> > wrote:

Arvin,

All of us struggle with the moral dilemma of political correctness versus intellectual integrity. I have a concern about the timing of your motion but my concern could conceivably represent political correctness. Your motion goes straight to the heart of addressing Libertarian positions on military policy overreach without a hint of political correctness. The previous motion, while primarily technically correct, was rife with political correctness in both tone and intent not to mention one Whereas that was incomplete, a second that was partially correct but flawed with dubious and unsubstantiated accuracy and a third that was deliberately omitted for obvious political correctness reasons despite its usual inclusion in Libertarian position statements on military matters.

Arvin, I would like your thoughts on the timing of your motion. I will consider cosponsoring. Given the current pervasive mood of political correctness, it will be interesting to compare support of the previous motion to your motion. Thank you for offering a motion that is profoundly correct and entirely devoid of political correctness.

Thoughts?

~David

~David Pratt Demarest

LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI)

Secretary, LPNE State Central Committee

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From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org> ] On Behalf Of Caryn Ann Harlos
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Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Seeking Cosponsors - Motion on Military Policy

FYI - one of my other state chairs (UT) informed me in no uncertain terms that he wished his regional representative to be too busy doing other things at this time and not to be involved in these things.  There is a special election coming up in UT and other projects that can unite and bring some positive energy.

I have spoken personally before with the rest of the Chairs - I have a good sense of their mood, and I don't anticipate there being any push for me to entangle myself in this.

-Caryn Ann 

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com <mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com> > wrote:

I understand Arvin, but I think there will be opportunity to clarify our stand, and right now my region is weary from divisiveness.  Since I do share a home with one of the regional chairs (CO) I sought his opinion, and he said precisely what I said above - the definite mood in my last communications with the region on this is that they wish their regional representative to be doing other things.  At another time perhaps they would be more conducive.  I understand you sent this to the State Chairs list, if any of my regional chairs strongly wants to support, they know to be in touch with me.

I know I operate my regional representation different from others, and there is no one size fits all, but I try to be participatory and keep in mind that I represent others, not just myself, and I just don't see my region as being behind it.

I am open, however, to having my mind changed by members and leaders in my region.  I posted this in my regional discussion group.

-Caryn Ann

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com <mailto:votevohra at gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Caryn Ann,

Thanks for your reply on this. Given that we have a resolution that was just sent to the entire membership, and will be posted on the main facebook page about military individuals, it seems very, very remiss to ignore military policy. With one resolution standing, our stance will almost certainly be misunderstood to be the militarist one.

All that most Libertarians will see from us, aside from the few that are my personal facebook friends, will be a heavily pro-military resolution during a time of unconscionable military action. To fail to speak on this at this time would be misleading and detrimental to our movement.

In Liberty,

Arvin

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com <mailto:carynannharlos at gmail.com> > wrote:

While I am sympathetic and would be inclined to vote yes and generally like to co-sponsor almost anything, I do not think my regional chairs want to be asked about another resolution on this topic at this time, so out of respect for their pretty clear sentiments last time, I cannot co-sponsor.  If it gets enough co-sponsors and comes up for a vote, I will then poll my chairs, but right now they are weary and busy, and without a specific triggering event, I think I am respecting their wishes to sit it out unless it comes to a vote.  

My personal advice:  revisit this at some other time.  Though I know Facebook is its own unique microcosm, we need a uniting event not another polarizing one.  I am sure Mr. Trump will give us plenty of opportunities to issue strident resolutions.  I love me some strident resolutions.  It just isn't the time and I know I differ from other regional representatives in this, I try to honour the wishes of my state chairs unless my conscience really compels me otherwise.  

-Caryn Ann

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra at gmail.com <mailto:votevohra at gmail.com> > wrote:

I am seeking cosponsors for the following draft motion:

Whereas The U.S. spends more on military than the next 8 nations combined

Whereas, involvement in NATO has caused the U.S. to build a military much larger than what is needed for defense

Whereas, current military policy has destabilized regions and lead to blowback and contributed to terrorist recruitment

Whereas, trade has been able to stop problematic ideologies when violence could not, as has happened in Vietnam

Whereas current military policy has misused many well meaning individuals for purposes other than defense against aggression often as parts of attempts to act as the world’s policeman

Resolved, The Libertarian National Committee rejects and repudiates the current U.S. military policy of overreach, world policing, and nation building; demands that the U.S. military immediately shut down all foreign military bases, cease involvement in foreign conflicts, end all current foreign military operations, and bring the troops home; demands that military spending and employment, if any, be reduced to the level necessary only for defense; demands immediate U.S. withdrawal from NATO; and demands an end to all trade sanctions.

In Liberty,

Arvin Vohra
Vice Chair
Libertarian Party

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