[Lnc-business] Convention Oversight Committee Housekeeping

Wed Jun 28 15:21:31 EDT 2017

Wouldn't it simply be a matter that the committee has been selected, and
the appointment already happened?  So while she would be disqualified from
being placed on the committee in a non-LNC slot now, the appointment was
made before her election to the LNC.

ken

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 2:57 PM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
wrote:

> That is actually something of another matter. That would be more of a
> permanent change to the policy manual. For now I wish to make an temporary
> amendment to the policy manual and reappoint Erin to the COC.
>
>
> Daniel Hayes
> LNC At Large Member
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 1:53 PM, David Demarest <dprattdemarest at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> From a common sense perspective, I will support the proposal for adding a
> provision that a subsequent LNC status change would not affect a prior
> Committee appointment for the duration of the committee appointment term.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> On Jun 28, 2017 1:40 PM, "Joshua Katz" <planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Is there a particular reason we couldn't fix it this way, by email?
>>
>> Joshua A. Katz
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Also, the reason for not waiting till August is we will possibly be
>>> having some very substantive votes before the August LNC meeting and I
>>> would rather have the full COC able to legally vote.
>>>
>>>
>>> Daniel Hayes
>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would be in favour of that.  Often times person who will end up
>>> filling LNC vacancies are those involved already somewhere and showing
>>> leadership.  I don't think we should be removing those people from
>>> consideration to fill a remaining term or making the other committees
>>> suffer.  The spirit of the rule is to make a good faith to diversify
>>> positions, but having a crystal ball shouldn't be part of it.
>>>
>>> So I would support.
>>>
>>> Caryn Ann
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Caryn Ann,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I was actually considering broaching that change for the meeting in
>>>> Kansas City.  I think we should add a provision that if you are on a
>>>> committee and your status changes by becoming LNC or Alternate or other
>>>> such shift like being one of the regional reps on the ASC and you end up
>>>> appointed as in an At Large position, you maintain your position on the
>>>> committee for the duration of that term.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 1:09 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I prefer the second.  And wouldn't there be a different threshold?  If
>>>> we are going to over-ride the policy manual  - we do it the right way by
>>>> editing.
>>>>
>>>> I think perhaps this brings up something that might need to be a
>>>> permanent change - when people end up on the LNC but were not when they
>>>> were appointed.  I would be amenable to looking at something on that route
>>>> too.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All,
>>>>>
>>>>> We find ourselves with a bit a problem that needs fixing.  The policy
>>>>> manual defines the Convention Oversight Committee as follows:  "Four LNC
>>>>> Members or Alternates, plus 3 non-LNC members who are recommended by the
>>>>> Convention Oversight Committee"  "LNC members selected by the LNC, non-LNC
>>>>> members selected by the LNC Chair".
>>>>>
>>>>> Erin Adams has moved from being a non-LNC member to being a LNC
>>>>> Alternate.  I have two alternatives on how to do it.  I highly value Erin's
>>>>> work ethic and contribution to the COC and wish to keep her as a full
>>>>> voting member of the committee.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> First, we could just do the following:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Move to ratify Erin Adams, Whitney Bilyeu, William Brackeen, Sam
>>>>> Goldstein, Daniel Hayes, Alicia Mattson, and BetteRose Ryan as members of
>>>>> the Convention Oversight Committee for the current term, notwithstanding
>>>>> any rules in the LNC Policy Manual."
>>>>>
>>>>> I included all the names because if we ratified one person but not the
>>>>> others, that might create some other problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This following option is a bit messier but more certain:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Move to amend the chart in the LNC policy manual section 1.03 to
>>>>> define the size of the Convention Oversight Committee as,
>>>>> 'Seven members composed of up to five LNC Members or Alternates, plus
>>>>> up to three non-LNC members who are recommended by the Convention Oversight
>>>>> Committee.';
>>>>> to sunset upon expiration of the current COC term and to ratify Erin
>>>>> Adams' position as a member of the Convention Oversight Committee."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My reason for the "up to" language is because life has a funny way of
>>>>> throwing us twists.  IF for some reason a LNC member of the COC were to
>>>>> vacate their seat before the end of their term, I would expect us to
>>>>> restore the composition to 4 LNC and 3 non LNC members of the COC. The
>>>>> sunset is there to restore the original intent once this term is over.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not seeking co-sponsors for either motion yet, as I am checking a
>>>>> sense of the body to see which route we prefer to use.
>>>>>
>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>>> LNC COC Vice-Chair
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>
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>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>
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