[Lnc-business] Convention Oversight Committee Housekeeping

Wed Jun 28 20:08:31 EDT 2017

I'm not in favor of a general rule which says that once an appointment is
made, it is good for the duration of the term even if eligibility changes
in the meantime.

Consider the Employment Policy and Compensation Committee.  Our policy
makes the LNC Chair ineligible to serve.  Suppose a Chair is hit by the
proverbial bus.  Suppose the person chosen to fill the Chair vacancy was
previously appointed to the EPCC.  Having the Chair (staff supervisor)
serve on the EPCC could be a problem.  Suppose the new Chair asks staff to
violate some policies.  The EPCC is the entity that the staff should
contact in such a situation, but now their boss is on the EPCC, so they're
not going to do that.

Consider the Executive Committee.  The 4 officers are ex-officio members of
the ExComm.  Suppose an officer resigns.  Do we want that person to
continue to serve on the ExComm, though they're no longer on the LNC?

There are probably other examples as well that could be problematic.  Let's
just address the situation at hand and not monkey with the system further.

-Alicia

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:53 AM, David Demarest <dprattdemarest at gmail.com>
wrote:

> From a common sense perspective, I will support the proposal for adding a
> provision that a subsequent LNC status change would not affect a prior
> Committee appointment for the duration of the committee appointment term.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> On Jun 28, 2017 1:40 PM, "Joshua Katz" <planning4liberty at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Is there a particular reason we couldn't fix it this way, by email?
>>
>> Joshua A. Katz
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Also, the reason for not waiting till August is we will possibly be
>>> having some very substantive votes before the August LNC meeting and I
>>> would rather have the full COC able to legally vote.
>>>
>>>
>>> Daniel Hayes
>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would be in favour of that.  Often times person who will end up
>>> filling LNC vacancies are those involved already somewhere and showing
>>> leadership.  I don't think we should be removing those people from
>>> consideration to fill a remaining term or making the other committees
>>> suffer.  The spirit of the rule is to make a good faith to diversify
>>> positions, but having a crystal ball shouldn't be part of it.
>>>
>>> So I would support.
>>>
>>> Caryn Ann
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Caryn Ann,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I was actually considering broaching that change for the meeting in
>>>> Kansas City.  I think we should add a provision that if you are on a
>>>> committee and your status changes by becoming LNC or Alternate or other
>>>> such shift like being one of the regional reps on the ASC and you end up
>>>> appointed as in an At Large position, you maintain your position on the
>>>> committee for the duration of that term.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 1:09 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I prefer the second.  And wouldn't there be a different threshold?  If
>>>> we are going to over-ride the policy manual  - we do it the right way by
>>>> editing.
>>>>
>>>> I think perhaps this brings up something that might need to be a
>>>> permanent change - when people end up on the LNC but were not when they
>>>> were appointed.  I would be amenable to looking at something on that route
>>>> too.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All,
>>>>>
>>>>> We find ourselves with a bit a problem that needs fixing.  The policy
>>>>> manual defines the Convention Oversight Committee as follows:  "Four LNC
>>>>> Members or Alternates, plus 3 non-LNC members who are recommended by the
>>>>> Convention Oversight Committee"  "LNC members selected by the LNC, non-LNC
>>>>> members selected by the LNC Chair".
>>>>>
>>>>> Erin Adams has moved from being a non-LNC member to being a LNC
>>>>> Alternate.  I have two alternatives on how to do it.  I highly value Erin's
>>>>> work ethic and contribution to the COC and wish to keep her as a full
>>>>> voting member of the committee.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> First, we could just do the following:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Move to ratify Erin Adams, Whitney Bilyeu, William Brackeen, Sam
>>>>> Goldstein, Daniel Hayes, Alicia Mattson, and BetteRose Ryan as members of
>>>>> the Convention Oversight Committee for the current term, notwithstanding
>>>>> any rules in the LNC Policy Manual."
>>>>>
>>>>> I included all the names because if we ratified one person but not the
>>>>> others, that might create some other problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This following option is a bit messier but more certain:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Move to amend the chart in the LNC policy manual section 1.03 to
>>>>> define the size of the Convention Oversight Committee as,
>>>>> 'Seven members composed of up to five LNC Members or Alternates, plus
>>>>> up to three non-LNC members who are recommended by the Convention Oversight
>>>>> Committee.';
>>>>> to sunset upon expiration of the current COC term and to ratify Erin
>>>>> Adams' position as a member of the Convention Oversight Committee."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My reason for the "up to" language is because life has a funny way of
>>>>> throwing us twists.  IF for some reason a LNC member of the COC were to
>>>>> vacate their seat before the end of their term, I would expect us to
>>>>> restore the composition to 4 LNC and 3 non LNC members of the COC. The
>>>>> sunset is there to restore the original intent once this term is over.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not seeking co-sponsors for either motion yet, as I am checking a
>>>>> sense of the body to see which route we prefer to use.
>>>>>
>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>>> LNC COC Vice-Chair
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
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>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>
>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> *We defend your rights*
>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>
>>>
>>>
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