[Lnc-business] Convention Oversight Committee Housekeeping

Wed Jun 28 20:11:55 EDT 2017

Alicia makes very good points.

It seems to really matter in some committees and not as critical in others.

-Caryn Ann

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:09 PM Alicia Mattson <agmattson at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm not in favor of a general rule which says that once an appointment is
> made, it is good for the duration of the term even if eligibility changes
> in the meantime.
>
> Consider the Employment Policy and Compensation Committee.  Our policy
> makes the LNC Chair ineligible to serve.  Suppose a Chair is hit by the
> proverbial bus.  Suppose the person chosen to fill the Chair vacancy was
> previously appointed to the EPCC.  Having the Chair (staff supervisor)
> serve on the EPCC could be a problem.  Suppose the new Chair asks staff to
> violate some policies.  The EPCC is the entity that the staff should
> contact in such a situation, but now their boss is on the EPCC, so they're
> not going to do that.
>
> Consider the Executive Committee.  The 4 officers are ex-officio members
> of the ExComm.  Suppose an officer resigns.  Do we want that person to
> continue to serve on the ExComm, though they're no longer on the LNC?
>
> There are probably other examples as well that could be problematic.
> Let's just address the situation at hand and not monkey with the system
> further.
>
> -Alicia
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:53 AM, David Demarest <dprattdemarest at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> From a common sense perspective, I will support the proposal for adding a
>> provision that a subsequent LNC status change would not affect a prior
>> Committee appointment for the duration of the committee appointment term.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2017 1:40 PM, "Joshua Katz" <planning4liberty at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a particular reason we couldn't fix it this way, by email?
>>>
>>> Joshua A. Katz
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Also, the reason for not waiting till August is we will possibly be
>>>> having some very substantive votes before the August LNC meeting and I
>>>> would rather have the full COC able to legally vote.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would be in favour of that.  Often times person who will end up
>>>> filling LNC vacancies are those involved already somewhere and showing
>>>> leadership.  I don't think we should be removing those people from
>>>> consideration to fill a remaining term or making the other committees
>>>> suffer.  The spirit of the rule is to make a good faith to diversify
>>>> positions, but having a crystal ball shouldn't be part of it.
>>>>
>>>> So I would support.
>>>>
>>>> Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Caryn Ann,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I was actually considering broaching that change for the meeting in
>>>>> Kansas City.  I think we should add a provision that if you are on a
>>>>> committee and your status changes by becoming LNC or Alternate or other
>>>>> such shift like being one of the regional reps on the ASC and you end up
>>>>> appointed as in an At Large position, you maintain your position on the
>>>>> committee for the duration of that term.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 1:09 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I prefer the second.  And wouldn't there be a different threshold?  If
>>>>> we are going to over-ride the policy manual  - we do it the right way by
>>>>> editing.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think perhaps this brings up something that might need to be a
>>>>> permanent change - when people end up on the LNC but were not when they
>>>>> were appointed.  I would be amenable to looking at something on that route
>>>>> too.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Daniel Hayes <
>>>>> danielehayes at icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We find ourselves with a bit a problem that needs fixing.  The policy
>>>>>> manual defines the Convention Oversight Committee as follows:  "Four LNC
>>>>>> Members or Alternates, plus 3 non-LNC members who are recommended by the
>>>>>> Convention Oversight Committee"  "LNC members selected by the LNC, non-LNC
>>>>>> members selected by the LNC Chair".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erin Adams has moved from being a non-LNC member to being a LNC
>>>>>> Alternate.  I have two alternatives on how to do it.  I highly value Erin's
>>>>>> work ethic and contribution to the COC and wish to keep her as a full
>>>>>> voting member of the committee.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First, we could just do the following:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Move to ratify Erin Adams, Whitney Bilyeu, William Brackeen, Sam
>>>>>> Goldstein, Daniel Hayes, Alicia Mattson, and BetteRose Ryan as members of
>>>>>> the Convention Oversight Committee for the current term, notwithstanding
>>>>>> any rules in the LNC Policy Manual."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I included all the names because if we ratified one person but not
>>>>>> the others, that might create some other problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This following option is a bit messier but more certain:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Move to amend the chart in the LNC policy manual section 1.03 to
>>>>>> define the size of the Convention Oversight Committee as,
>>>>>> 'Seven members composed of up to five LNC Members or Alternates, plus
>>>>>> up to three non-LNC members who are recommended by the Convention Oversight
>>>>>> Committee.';
>>>>>> to sunset upon expiration of the current COC term and to ratify Erin
>>>>>> Adams' position as a member of the Convention Oversight Committee."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My reason for the "up to" language is because life has a funny way of
>>>>>> throwing us twists.  IF for some reason a LNC member of the COC were to
>>>>>> vacate their seat before the end of their term, I would expect us to
>>>>>> restore the composition to 4 LNC and 3 non LNC members of the COC. The
>>>>>> sunset is there to restore the original intent once this term is over.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not seeking co-sponsors for either motion yet, as I am checking
>>>>>> a sense of the body to see which route we prefer to use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>>>> LNC COC Vice-Chair
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee

A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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