[Lnc-business] Request for co-sponsors for motion to support campaign of Joe Buchman

Tue Jul 11 14:07:55 EDT 2017

Joe Buchman is a multi-decade friend of mine.  I thank him very much for running--he jumped in at the last minute when another candidate backed out--and wish him the best in his Campaign.  I have personally contributed $201 to Joe Buchman's Campaign.  I urge other members of the LNC to do so, as well.  However, I am opposed to the LNC contributing to his Campaign.  I have discussed this with Joe, and he is OK with no LNC funding of his Campaign.  I wish we did, but the LNC currently does not have the resources to be contributing to many, if any, candidates, particularly when we have other needs, including ballot access in Tennessee and Alabama.  And, we have Ohio to finish, and that is a big job.

I ask people not to co-sponsor this motion and, should it become a motion, to vote "No."

Bill Redpath
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On Tue, 7/11/17, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Request for co-sponsors for motion to support campaign of Joe Buchman
 To: "Libertarian National Committee list" <lnc-business at hq.lp.org>
 Cc: "Joseph Buchman" <drbuchman at gmail.com>
 Date: Tuesday, July 11, 2017, 1:31 PM

 Joe got in
 the debates - this is getting momentum.  I am once again
 asking for the needed co-sponsors.
 -Caryn Ann
 On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at
 2:45 AM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
 wrote:
 Nick,
 I
 am sure you are already on it but would this warrant a
 letter from Oliver?  It sounds like it may.  Only
 including two people from the old establishment parties in
 the debate, for the sake of time as the criteria I have seen
 for the inclusion, doesn't seem unbiased to me.  AFP is
 a non-profit as I recall. That might put AFP in an even more
 precarious position than the television station in
 Montana.
 As
 this is regarding potential legal action, I don't expect
 much of a response here on this public list.  I am certain
 the letters, correspondence, filings and other actions, if
 appropriate, will be put into action by those with the
 letters J.D. behind their name.

 Daniel
 HayesLNC
 At Large Member

 Sent from
 my iPhone
 On Jul 11, 2017, at
 1:31 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
 wrote:

 Dr. Buchman sent this to me
 this morning to provide an answer to Ken's inquiry and
 to give information and a request about the debates he has
 been excluded from.  It did not make it to my inbox however
 and he re-sent to me after speaking on the phone this
 evening and since that time he has been officially denied
 debate access (as per the response I posted in another LNC
 business thread).  But please take this information into
 consideration in this request.
 I know that we want to develop a
 candidate assistance procedure.  And I understand that is
 on the agenda for August. But I ask please do not let that
 get in the way of assisting a candidate now.  It is not the
 fault of the candidates that we don't yet have such a
 procedure and this is in the only Federal race now - great
 opportunity to get attention for a committed Libertarian
 candidate.  Please consider this request..... and in member
 relations purpose, it does not help member confidence when
 we are not assisting when we can in a race that has the sole
 stage right now.  
 >>>Why won't we assist
 with the campaign of this candidate in the Federal
 race?
 >>>Because we don't
 have criteria for assistance.
 >>>Why don't you have
 criteria?
 >>>Because we haven't
 done it yet.
 >>>So candidates suffer
 from LNC lack of establishment of protocol?  
 The Mark Wicks donation invigorated
 that race and our members.  This could do likewise. 
 Please co-sponsor my request.
 The below is from Dr.
 Buchman:
 ===========
 I am
 asking for help from those who have connections with
 Americans for Prosperity in my request to be included in
 their Third District candidate debates.  Please see the
 email I sent to them copied below and help if you can. 

 As I said in the KSL
 interview, the first step toward winning is getting into
 these debates.  I see getting into the debates as where the
 focus should be, just as a mountain climber focuses on the
 next step, or Governor Johnson focuses on the next curve in
 his mountain road.  To focus on "winning the
 race" rather than those immediate intermediate goals is
 not a winning strategy; it's delusional.   I did not say, and have never said,  "I
 am not going to win."  What I said was: "I
 am not running to win . . . primarily I am running, first,
 to get into the debates."   I also said:
 "The chances of a Libertarian
 winning the Third District in Utah are not impossible; I’m
 swinging; I’m going to go for it; I’m giving it
 everything I have. "

 I sure wish saying that had
 made every KSL and LNC listener
 "happy."
 I'll leave it to
 others to discern if my interview with Doug Wright (has
 invited me back again) is fairly characterized as a
 "concession speech." 
 If that has left you
 off-put for listening to the entire interview, I'd ask
 you  read the following for the full context and
  reconsider:

 WRIGHT: This gentleman
 has some KSL connections that we’ll talk about some other
 time, but I want to really get into the motivation, what
 caused you to want to get into this race; you’ve got a
 PhD, you’re running as a Libertarian, so let’s just set
 the stage. Give us a little background on you and why you
 are in this race.
  BUCHMAN: You know Doug,
 when I walked into your waiting room, I see there in the
 lobby, huge letters on the wall, “A Light of Truth in the
 World.” The truth that I run on is the foundation of
 Libertarian politics which is the fundamental principle in
 our philosophy that drives our politics, our ethics, our
 morality and those other fields of philosophy of which
 politics is one, is pretty simple, that is that no human
 being should have the right to initiate force, violence
 against others, to initiate force. And then the second core
 principle is that you either own your physical body, it’s
 yours to do with as you see fit, or you’re part slave;
 you’re owned by someone else. So we take the principles of
 non-initiation of aggression and self-ownership and we apply
 them to politics. Like you said, I am a
 college professor, that’s where I am coming from.  I am
 not running to win, the chances of a Libertarian winning the
 Third District in Utah are not impossible; I’m swinging;
 I’m going to go for it; I’m giving it everything I have
 . . . WRIGHT: right . .
 . BUCHMAN: . . . if I can
 get Rosie O’ Donnell to retweet something, who knows . .
 . WRIGHT: It worked for
 Dr. Allen. BUCHMAN: . . . or Drew
 Carey, or Penn & Teller or some other Libertarians who
 we are reaching out to, who knows? Anything is possible; but
 primarily I am running, first of all, to get into the
 debates. We need a Libertarian voice in the
 debates. 

 My email to Americans
 for Prosperity:
 From: Joseph
 Buchman <drbuchman at gmail.com>
 Date: Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 3:45 PM
 Subject: Third District Candidate debate
 To: infout at afphq.org

 I am writing as the Libertarian Party of
 Utah's candidate for the Third District to request
 inclusion in the debates sponsored by Americans For
 Prosperity.
 See, for example, https://www.facebook.
 com/photo.php?fbid=10154532862
 572120&set=gm.1744266952269118
 &type=3&theater 

 I am on the ballot as a
 General Election candidate for this office,
 see:
 https://elections.utah.gov/ele
 ction-resources/2017-candidate
 -filings
 In the absence of an
 invitation to participate in your debates, may I inquire of
 the standards/process for your selection of
 candidates?
 Thanks for your
 attention to this request,
 Joe

 These debates were
 announced on
 Friday; the first debate is to be held tomorrow (Tuesday evening
 ).  I'll be there either in the audience or on the
 stage. See:
 http://www.sltrib.com/news/548
 5360-155/two-debates-set-for-t hree-republican

 And while they are now
 being repurposed as for the "Republican primary
 candidates only" please note the portion of the article
 which indicates the Democrat was
 invited.
 "Democrat Kathie
 Allen — who's raised nearly $700,000 in donations —
 did not respond to an invitation to join the event, Everton
 said."

 Evelyn
 Everton is the Utah State Director for Americans for
 Prosperity.  
 Again
 any help you can offer would be greatly
 appreciated.
 I hope
 you'll listen to the entire KSL interview and form your
 own opinion of it.  I'm sure I could have done better
 and continue to seek your constructive feedback as well as
 help in having Americans for Prosperity include the
 Libertarian in their debates.
 Thanks
 again for your consideration,
 Joe
 _______________________
 Joseph G. Buchman, PhD
 584 Hillside
 CircleAlpine UT
 84004+++++++++++

 ---------Caryn
 Ann
 On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at
 6:34 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
 wrote:
 Very
 good points Starchild and both views are represented in our
 membership.
 I
 certainly hope we don't divisively "take
 sides" on that.
 -Caryn Ann 

 On Mon, Jul 10, 2017
 at 6:07 AM Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
 wrote:

 Ken,
 	You're certainly
 not the first Libertarian to express a disappointed
 emotional reaction to a candidate's realistic appraisal
 of his or her chances, but to you and any other Libertarian
 who has felt this way, I say take heart! One can lose in
 conventional terms and still win in libertarian terms. A
 conventional win means the warm body you
 support occupying the sought-after office. A
 libertarian win, however, means advancing the cause
 of freedom! Such wins can happen in any number of ways –
 building momentum for a future run, exposing more people to
 libertarian ideas, building the party, etc. Of course the
 cause of freedom is usually more likely to be
 advanced by a Libertarian occupying the sought-after office
 than by not occupying it – but it isn't the be-all,
 end-all it's too often made out to be. In some ways, the
 real fight begins after an election is won. If an
 elected Libertarian isn't mentally prepared to stick to
 his or her libertarian principles and positions, or
 doesn't have solidly libertarian principles or positions
 to begin with, the real, post-election fight for what s/he
 will do in office is as good as lost. Amid the statist
 culture and pressures in which s/he will be immersed, such
 an elected Libertarian will have little chance of surviving
 with an agenda to advance the cause of freedom
 intact.
 	Predicting an
 election loss also isn't the same thing as
 conceding. When a candidate concedes a race,
 s/he is saying "the campaign is over, my opponent
 won". Clearly Joe Buchman is saying no such thing! From
 appearances, he is running and will continue to run a
 vigorous campaign and seek as much exposure for our ideas
 and as many votes as possible. He is running to win in
 libertarian terms. But is it wise to predict a loss at the
 ballot box? While miracles occasionally do happen
 and I've suggested candidates leave the perceptions
 door open by not entirely ruling out the possibility of
 getting elected, I would much rather see a Libertarian
 fighting a long-shot campaign – and this is obviously a
 long-shot campaign; no Libertarian has come close to being
 elected to Congress – say flat-out that s/he won't
 win, than to flat-out say that s/he will. Any candidate
 facing those kind of odds who predicts electoral victory is
 either deceiving him/herself, or attempting to deceive
 others. The former shows a poor grasp of reality, while the
 latter shows a lack of integrity. Neither reflects well on
 the candidate! Joe, by contrast, showed his good character
 by giving an honest and realistic assessment of his chances.
 For every person out there who thinks, 'I want to vote
 for someone who tells me s/he's going to win', I
 believe there's another person out there thinking,
 'I want to vote for someone who has integrity and tells
 the truth'. To which type of voter mentality should we,
 as the Party of Principle, be trying to
 appeal?
 Love &
 Liberty,

                              ((( starchild
 )))At-Large Representative, Libertarian National
 Committee                         
 RealReform at earthlink.net 
                                 (415)
 625-FREE                           
        @StarchildSF

 On Jul 10,
 2017, at 12:00 AM, Ken Moellman wrote:
 I found out about this campaign yesterday
 (now, 2 days ago) and the referenced KSL interview almost
 immediately starts with the candidate saying "I'm
 not going to win."  It made me sad. More importantly,
 I can't agree to give money to someone who has already
 conceded the race.  I mean, what is the money going to be
 used for?  Losing better?
 By contrast, from what I can see,
 candidates like Laura Ebke and at least one of the recent
 converts in NH are gearing up re-election campaigns with the
 intent to win. They certainly haven't publicly conceded,
 anyway.  There are lots of candidates throughout the
 country gearing up for 2018 races. 4 L converts and many
 other candidates looking to run winnable
 races. 
 If this body
 decides to support candidates, I'd really rather see
 this body support candidates that are running to
 win.

 On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at
 2:18 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
 wrote:
 Hello everyone, I received the
 below request from Dr. Joe Buchman (Utah) and have been
 speaking with him about this for the past few weeks.  I
 would like us to consider assisting him to our maximum
 allowed of 5K.
 ========
 To
 the members of the LNC:
 The resignation of Representative
 Chaffetz nine days ago from the Third District of Utah has
 created a Special Election to be held 7
 November 2017.
 Joe Buchman is the Libertarian
 Candidate for that seat and following a special election
 convention by the Libertarian Party of Utah is on the ballot
 for November
 7th.   There is a Democratic opponent. 
 Three Republicans will face each other in a primary next
 month.  
 See: https://elections.utah.go
 v/election-resources/2017-cand idate-filings
 This is, we believe, the only
 remaining contest for federal office in 2017 with a
 Libertarian candidate.
 To date Dr. Buchman has invested
 $1,000.00 of his personal funds in the campaign and has
 raised approximately $250.00 from other donors, with
 promises for about $500 in process.

 Joe has
 just been scheduled as the sole guest for the first hour of
 Coast to Coast AM, a national networked late-night radio
 talk show with an estimated 2.5 million listeners,
 for Saturday evening, July
 29th, 10:05PM to 11:00PM Pacific time. 
 Past show hosts Art Bell and Rollye James were
 self-identified Libertarians, and past guests have included
 Judge Jim Gray, Michael Badnarik, Aaron Russo, Harry Browne,
 Andre Marrou and Dr. Buchman himself (in 2008, when he last
 ran for the US Congress).
 See: http://www.coasttocoastam
 .com/search/?query=libertarian
 Joe will be discussing his
 campaign for the US Congress, his platform as an expression
 of the NAP and Self-Ownership paradigms, will be directing
 listeners to his website and will be requesting donations. 
 The Coast to Coast website will also provide a link to his
 campaign site - www.GotoL.vote
 This is a request for national
 party funding for this singularly important Special Election
 campaign.  
 The
 resignation of Representative Chaffetz has already generated
 significant national media attention, and this race is
 likely to continue to generate national media coverage as
 the replacement of Congressman Chaffetz will reflect, to
 some degree, a measure of voter confidence in the Trump
 administration.
 The
 Libertarian Party nationally will benefit from this
 election, the last of 2017 to include a Libertarian
 candidate for federal office.
 If a funding agreement can be
 reached prior to the show, Dr. Buchman would then appeal to
 Coast to Coast listeners with a promise that any donations
 received during the show will be matched
 dollar-for-dollar.  The show will be replayed and will also
 be available as a download from the network
 website.
 Joe has
 been interviewed by three local papers (the Salt Lake
 Tribune, Deseret News and City Weekly) and by KSL
 Radio's Doug Wright.  
 That 9 minute radio interview can
 be found at:
 https://www.ksl.com/?nid=1388&
 a=11898
 Bottom
 line: Joe is experienced with media interviews, had a prior
 career in radio (including working with Bill Redpath at WTTS
 radio in the 1970s), is passionate about both Libertarian
 political pragmatism and philosophy, and is currently
 scheduled for one of the most visible media appearances by
 any Libertarian Candidate this month (and perhaps for
 the remainder of this year).
 This special election creates
 something of a special case for funding; an amount
 equivalent to that provided to the recent candidate in
 Montana would seem equitable.
 With gratitude for your
 consideration of this request,
 Joe
 PS If you do choose to listen to
 the KSL interview and/or to review the website and links to
 the print interviews there; ALL feedback, suggestions for
 improvement are also welcomed.

 -- 
 In Liberty,Caryn Ann
 HarlosRegion 1
 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado,
 Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
 Harlos at LP.orgCommunications Director, Libertarian Party of
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