[Lnc-business] Request for co-sponsors for motion to support campaign of Joe Buchman
Caryn Ann Harlos
carynannharlos at gmail.com
Sat Jul 15 01:22:04 EDT 2017
Hi, I am just making sure this gets bumped up as I have the necessary
co-sponsors and Dr. Buchman was inquiring about the time frame for a vote.
-Caryn Ann
On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Correction: Joe is running in 2018 when he WINS this race too :) That
> campaign has already started as well.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Joe's doggedness has impressed me and he is campaigning hard. Further in
>> this period of time where members are looking for us to keep up the
>> momentum, this will please members as well.
>>
>> Once the email vote goes up, please, please vote yes. Do not allow our
>> failure to develop guidelines hurt a life member/hard-working-activist/multiple
>> time candidate. Further he is going to run in 2018 as well if he does not
>> win this race so we are laying groundwork for TWO campaigns. That is
>> amazing.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 1:00 PM, David Demarest <dprattdemarest at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Starchild, thank you for your careful evaluation of this challenging
>>> question. I agree with your conclusion.
>>>
>>> In the spirit of Libertarianism, competitive bidding is a desired goal,
>>> particularly for governance and social services. However, compulsory
>>> representative democracy is a dysfunctional governance artifice to begin
>>> with.
>>>
>>> Accordingly, competitive bidding for our campaign financial support has
>>> its limitations and would be impossible to quantify. Guidelines would be
>>> helpful, albeit inevitably subjective based on our evaluation of candidate
>>> merits and electoral race relevance based on our diverse individual
>>> Libertarian principle perspectives that complicate reaching a consensus. Ad
>>> hoc debates like this may be the only realistic option. Again, however,
>>> guidelines would help and the sooner available, the better.
>>>
>>> I suggest that we proceed post haste with guideline development but in
>>> the meantime do not shirk our duty on ad hoc candidate vetting.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 13, 2017 1:29 PM, "Starchild" <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've been torn over this. I consider Joe both a good friend and a
>>>> principled libertarian with excellent ethical instincts, a lack of burning
>>>> ambition, and solid enough balls to stand up and speak out on principle
>>>> when he sees something wrong going on – in short, just the kind of
>>>> Libertarian we need in office. He is waging a radical and spirited campaign
>>>> for public office using wit and humor, the kind of campaign that does us
>>>> credit.
>>>>
>>>> Nevertheless I am also very much in agreement with Sam Goldstein that
>>>> we need to stop appropriating candidate funds in an ad hoc manner. To do so
>>>> is unfair and probably on the whole produces results that are far from
>>>> optimum, much like awarding contracts without competitive bidding or hiring
>>>> new employees without an open call for applicants. Having not long before
>>>> we received this request presented to the LNC a proposal to address this
>>>> situation, I was at that time of a mind not to support any more such
>>>> requests until we either approve it, or adopt some other reasonable
>>>> approach that strives for fairness, consistency, and equal opportunity in
>>>> how we allocate funds.
>>>>
>>>> Yet against this intent I must now weigh the obvious merits of Joe
>>>> Buchman's campaign and Caryn Ann's strong case on his behalf, including the
>>>> fact that this is the big national campaign we have going right now, and
>>>> Joe is getting great exposure. In the end it is possible I am allowing
>>>> myself to be swayed by friendship and personal familiarity and regard,
>>>> which is precisely the danger of the way we are conducting this process (or
>>>> lack of a process), and if some feel I am making the wrong decision I can't
>>>> really blame them. Nevertheless, I'm going to go ahead and co-sponsor in
>>>> the knowledge that we'll be supporting a terrific candidate and a man of
>>>> integrity who I trust to spend the money wisely.
>>>>
>>>> So I gather we now have the requisite four votes.
>>>>
>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>
>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>> RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>>> @StarchildSF
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 13, 2017, at 9:40 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Joe did very well in the debate - he only had the questions ahead of
>>>> time for a few hours while the old party candidates had them for a few
>>>> weeks. He is now working hard to get in the next major debate. This is a
>>>> candidate doing a real campaign... looking for one more co-sponsor.
>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>
>>>> http://kutv.com/news/local/3rd-district-candidates-try-to-br
>>>> eak-out-of-the-pack-at-debate-in-provo
>>>>
>>>> ==But Curtis came with a target on his back. When he told the crowd
>>>> the federal government's proper role included overseeing currency, Buchman
>>>> pounced.
>>>> "Mr. Mayor, I apologize but I get to correct you," he said. "As someone
>>>> who earned a PhD and an MBA in finance, the Federal Reserve is a private
>>>> bank."==
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 9:30 PM, David Demarest <
>>>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Regarding Dr. Buchman’s alleged “I can’t win” comment, Larry Sharpe
>>>>> has pointed out that despite the admittedly formidable odds against Larry
>>>>> winning the 2018 New York Governor’s race, it will be worth it not only to
>>>>> lay a foundation for the future but also, and just as important, to provide
>>>>> considerable credibility and word-of-mouth publicity impact to down-ticket
>>>>> races.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ~David
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *2018 Omaha Roads to Liberty Un-Convention*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>>>
>>>>> LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI)
>>>>>
>>>>> LSLA Vice-Chair
>>>>>
>>>>> LPNE State Central Committee, Secretary
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On
>>>>> Behalf Of *Ken Moellman
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 11, 2017 9:33 PM
>>>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Request for co-sponsors for motion to
>>>>> support campaign of Joe Buchman
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I cannot co-sponsor because I'm an alternate. However, I have had
>>>>> several conversations and I want to chime back in and revise my statements
>>>>> from my initial email.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not know Dr. Buchman personally, and nothing I said before was
>>>>> meant to be personal. As a former campaign manager, anything that sounds
>>>>> like "I can't win" makes me want to set the room on fire. I'm a bit
>>>>> sensitive on that matter.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Since that time, I have learned more information.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The core issue is the use of the funds. If the funds are being used
>>>>> to increase the ability of the campaign to do long-term outreach (supplies
>>>>> promoting the LP, building local parties, etc.), I could be convinced to
>>>>> support such a measure. By contrast, if the funds are being used to
>>>>> purchase supplies like yard signs or other "temporary" campaign-related
>>>>> costs, I'd definitely be against it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm just an alternate, so my vote rarely counts. But after obtaining
>>>>> more information and further thought on the matter, I felt it necessary to
>>>>> append my previous comments with these.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ken
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 5:48 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe is also a friend of mine, and yes, he is "okay" with it, meaning
>>>>> no ill feelings as he is a long-term and dedicated member of the Party who
>>>>> understands that this is business, he certainly urged me to ask, and has
>>>>> been asking me for updates-- so it would mean a great to him and his
>>>>> campaign. This is the only Federal race going on right now - and he just
>>>>> scored a victory getting into a previously denied debate. I have explained
>>>>> the realities of the situation with having no set standards yet and he
>>>>> understands -- but he certainly did ask me to pursue this. And members
>>>>> have asked me about it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As to funding ballot access, though I respect my predecessor Norm
>>>>> immensely - he and I are of different minds when it comes to ballot access
>>>>> funding - he would routinely vote no. I have always voted yes. There are
>>>>> many reasons for that but one issue that arises is that Region 1 gets short
>>>>> shrift in that - or it can **appear** so. I am fully on board with the
>>>>> idea that nationwide ballot access benefits everyone, but it is certainly
>>>>> true that these funds do not go to Region 1 - with the highest numerical
>>>>> amounts of affiliates (9 states). Utah is Region 1 and helping with a
>>>>> Region 1 campaign helps to balance this out and thus far, I have had the
>>>>> full support of my regional chairs when supporting ballot access funding
>>>>> because I press the case that region 1 is getting benefits from pushing
>>>>> national memberships and in their national membership.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I also urge other members to give a contribution. I will be doing so
>>>>> when I see how this month's finances go.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I thank David and Whitney for co-sponsoring. *I ask for one more.*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --Caryn Ann
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 12:13 PM, William Redpath <wredpath2 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe Buchman is a multi-decade friend of mine. I thank him very much
>>>>> for running--he jumped in at the last minute when another candidate backed
>>>>> out--and wish him the best in his Campaign. I have personally contributed
>>>>> $201 to Joe Buchman's Campaign. I urge other members of the LNC to do so,
>>>>> as well. However, I am opposed to the LNC contributing to his Campaign. I
>>>>> have discussed this with Joe, and he is OK with no LNC funding of his
>>>>> Campaign. I wish we did, but the LNC currently does not have the resources
>>>>> to be contributing to many, if any, candidates, particularly when we have
>>>>> other needs, including ballot access in Tennessee and Alabama. And, we
>>>>> have Ohio to finish, and that is a big job.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I ask people not to co-sponsor this motion and, should it become a
>>>>> motion, to vote "No."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Redpath
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 7/11/17, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com
>>>>> <https://mg.mail.yahoo.com/neo/b/compose?to=carynannharlos@gmail.com>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Request for co-sponsors for motion to
>>>>> support campaign of Joe Buchman
>>>>>
>>>>> To: "Libertarian National Committee list" <lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>> <https://mg.mail.yahoo.com/neo/b/compose?to=lnc-business@hq.lp.org>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cc: "Joseph Buchman" <drbuchman at gmail.com
>>>>> <https://mg.mail.yahoo.com/neo/b/compose?to=drbuchman@gmail.com>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Date: Tuesday, July 11, 2017, 1:31 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe got in
>>>>>
>>>>> the debates - this is getting momentum. I am once again
>>>>>
>>>>> asking for the needed co-sponsors.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:08 PM, David Demarest <
>>>>> dprattdemarest at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I will co-sponsor.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 11, 2017 12:32 PM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe got in the debates - this is getting momentum. I am once again
>>>>> asking for the needed co-sponsors.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:45 AM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes at icloud.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Nick,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am sure you are already on it but would this warrant a letter from
>>>>> Oliver? It sounds like it may. Only including two people from the old
>>>>> establishment parties in the debate, for the sake of time as the criteria I
>>>>> have seen for the inclusion, doesn't seem unbiased to me. AFP is a
>>>>> non-profit as I recall. That might put AFP in an even more precarious
>>>>> position than the television station in Montana.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As this is regarding potential legal action, I don't expect much of a
>>>>> response here on this public list. I am certain the letters,
>>>>> correspondence, filings and other actions, if appropriate, will be put into
>>>>> action by those with the letters J.D. behind their name.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>>
>>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 11, 2017, at 1:31 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dr. Buchman sent this to me this morning to provide an answer to Ken's
>>>>> inquiry and to give information and a request about the debates he has been
>>>>> excluded from. It did not make it to my inbox however and he re-sent to me
>>>>> after speaking on the phone this evening and since that time he has been
>>>>> officially denied debate access (as per the response I posted in another
>>>>> LNC business thread). But please take this information into consideration
>>>>> in this request.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I know that we want to develop a candidate assistance procedure. And
>>>>> I understand that is on the agenda for August. But I ask please do not let
>>>>> that get in the way of assisting a candidate now. It is not the fault of
>>>>> the candidates that we don't yet have such a procedure and this is in the
>>>>> only Federal race now - great opportunity to get attention for a committed
>>>>> Libertarian candidate. Please consider this request..... and in member
>>>>> relations purpose, it does not help member confidence when we are not
>>>>> assisting when we can in a race that has the sole stage right now.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>Why won't we assist with the campaign of this candidate in the
>>>>> Federal race?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>Because we don't have criteria for assistance.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>Why don't you have criteria?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>Because we haven't done it yet.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>So candidates suffer from LNC lack of establishment of protocol?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Mark Wicks donation invigorated that race and our members. This
>>>>> could do likewise. Please co-sponsor my request.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The below is from Dr. Buchman:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ===========
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am asking for help from those who have connections with Americans
>>>>> for Prosperity in my request to be included in their Third District
>>>>> candidate debates. Please see the email I sent to them copied below and
>>>>> help if you can.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As I said in the KSL interview, the first step toward winning is
>>>>> getting into these debates. I see getting into the debates as where the
>>>>> focus should be, just as a mountain climber focuses on the next step, or
>>>>> Governor Johnson focuses on the next curve in his mountain road. To focus
>>>>> on "winning the race" rather than those immediate intermediate goals is not
>>>>> a winning strategy; it's delusional. I did not say, and have never said,
>>>>> "I am not going to win." What I said was: "I am not running to win . . .
>>>>> primarily I am running, first, to get into the debates." I also said:
>>>>> "The chances of a Libertarian winning the Third District in Utah are not
>>>>> impossible; I’m swinging; I’m going to go for it; I’m giving it everything
>>>>> I have. "
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I sure wish saying that had made every KSL and LNC listener "happy."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll leave it to others to discern if my interview with Doug Wright
>>>>> (has invited me back again) is fairly characterized as a "concession
>>>>> speech."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If that has left you off-put for listening to the entire interview,
>>>>> I'd ask you read the following for the full context and reconsider:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> WRIGHT: This gentleman has some KSL connections that we’ll talk about
>>>>> some other time, but I want to really get into the motivation, what caused
>>>>> you to want to get into this race; you’ve got a PhD, you’re running as a
>>>>> Libertarian, so let’s just set the stage. Give us a little background on
>>>>> you and why you are in this race.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> BUCHMAN: You know Doug, when I walked into your waiting room, I see
>>>>> there in the lobby, huge letters on the wall, “A Light of Truth in the
>>>>> World.” The truth that I run on is the foundation of Libertarian politics
>>>>> which is the fundamental principle in our philosophy that drives our
>>>>> politics, our ethics, our morality and those other fields of philosophy of
>>>>> which politics is one, is pretty simple, that is that no human being should
>>>>> have the right to initiate force, violence against others, to initiate
>>>>> force. And then the second core principle is that you either own your
>>>>> physical body, it’s yours to do with as you see fit, or you’re part slave;
>>>>> you’re owned by someone else. So we take the principles of non-initiation
>>>>> of aggression and self-ownership and we apply them to politics.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Like you said, I am a college professor, that’s where I am coming
>>>>> from. I am not running to win, the chances of a Libertarian winning the
>>>>> Third District in Utah are not impossible; I’m swinging; I’m going to go
>>>>> for it; I’m giving it everything I have . . .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> WRIGHT: right . . .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> BUCHMAN: . . . if I can get Rosie O’ Donnell to retweet something, who
>>>>> knows . . .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> WRIGHT: It worked for Dr. Allen.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> BUCHMAN: . . . or Drew Carey, or Penn & Teller or some other
>>>>> Libertarians who we are reaching out to, who knows? Anything is possible;
>>>>> but primarily I am running, first of all, to get into the debates. We need
>>>>> a Libertarian voice in the debates.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My email to Americans for Prosperity:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Joseph Buchman <drbuchman at gmail.com>
>>>>> Date: Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 3:45 PM
>>>>> Subject: Third District Candidate debate
>>>>> To: infout at afphq.org
>>>>>
>>>>> I am writing as the Libertarian Party of Utah's candidate for the
>>>>> Third District to request inclusion in the debates sponsored by Americans
>>>>> For Prosperity.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> See, for example, https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154532862
>>>>> 572120&set=gm.1744266952269118&type=3&theater
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am on the ballot as a General Election candidate for this office,
>>>>> see:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://elections.utah.gov/election-resources/2017-candidate-filings
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In the absence of an invitation to participate in your debates, may I
>>>>> inquire of the standards/process for your selection of candidates?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your attention to this request,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> These debates were announced on Friday; the first debate is to be
>>>>> held tomorrow (Tuesday evening). I'll be there either in the
>>>>> audience or on the stage. See:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.sltrib.com/news/5485360-155/two-debates-set-for-t
>>>>> hree-republican
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And while they are now being repurposed as for the "Republican primary
>>>>> candidates only" please note the portion of the article which indicates the
>>>>> Democrat was invited.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Democrat Kathie Allen — who's raised nearly $700,000 in donations —
>>>>> did not respond to an invitation to join the event, Everton said."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Evelyn Everton is the Utah State Director for Americans for
>>>>> Prosperity.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Again any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope you'll listen to the entire KSL interview and form your own
>>>>> opinion of it. I'm sure I could have done better and continue to seek your
>>>>> constructive feedback as well as help in having Americans for Prosperity
>>>>> include the Libertarian in their debates.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again for your consideration,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________
>>>>> Joseph G. Buchman, PhD
>>>>>
>>>>> 584 Hillside Circle
>>>>>
>>>>> Alpine UT 84004
>>>>>
>>>>> +++++++++++
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------Caryn Ann
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Very good points Starchild and both views are represented in our
>>>>> membership.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I certainly hope we don't divisively "take sides" on that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 6:07 AM Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You're certainly not the first Libertarian to express a disappointed
>>>>> emotional reaction to a candidate's realistic appraisal of his or her
>>>>> chances, but to you and any other Libertarian who has felt this way, I say
>>>>> take heart! One can lose in conventional terms and still win in libertarian
>>>>> terms. A *conventional* win means the warm body you support occupying
>>>>> the sought-after office. A *libertarian* win, however, means
>>>>> advancing the cause of freedom! Such wins can happen in any number of ways
>>>>> – building momentum for a future run, exposing more people to libertarian
>>>>> ideas, building the party, etc. Of course the cause of freedom is
>>>>> *usually* more likely to be advanced by a Libertarian occupying the
>>>>> sought-after office than by not occupying it – but it isn't the be-all,
>>>>> end-all it's too often made out to be. In some ways, the real fight begins
>>>>> *after* an election is won. If an elected Libertarian isn't mentally
>>>>> prepared to stick to his or her libertarian principles and positions, or
>>>>> doesn't have solidly libertarian principles or positions to begin with, the
>>>>> real, post-election fight for what s/he will do in office is as good as
>>>>> lost. Amid the statist culture and pressures in which s/he will be
>>>>> immersed, such an elected Libertarian will have little chance of surviving
>>>>> with an agenda to advance the cause of freedom intact.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Predicting* an election loss also isn't the same thing as *conceding*.
>>>>> When a candidate *concedes* a race, s/he is saying "the campaign is
>>>>> over, my opponent won". Clearly Joe Buchman is saying no such thing! From
>>>>> appearances, he is running and will continue to run a vigorous campaign and
>>>>> seek as much exposure for our ideas and as many votes as possible. He is
>>>>> running to win in libertarian terms. But is it wise to predict a loss at
>>>>> the ballot box? While miracles occasionally do happen and I've suggested
>>>>> candidates leave the perceptions door open by not entirely ruling out the
>>>>> possibility of getting elected, I would much rather see a Libertarian
>>>>> fighting a long-shot campaign – and this is obviously a long-shot campaign;
>>>>> no Libertarian has come close to being elected to Congress – say flat-out
>>>>> that s/he won't win, than to flat-out say that s/he will. Any candidate
>>>>> facing those kind of odds who predicts electoral victory is either
>>>>> deceiving him/herself, or attempting to deceive others. The former shows a
>>>>> poor grasp of reality, while the latter shows a lack of integrity. Neither
>>>>> reflects well on the candidate! Joe, by contrast, showed his good character
>>>>> by giving an honest and realistic assessment of his chances. For every
>>>>> person out there who thinks, 'I want to vote for someone who tells me
>>>>> s/he's going to win', I believe there's another person out there thinking,
>>>>> 'I want to vote for someone who has integrity and tells the truth'. To
>>>>> which type of voter mentality should we, as the Party of Principle, be
>>>>> trying to appeal?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>>>
>>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>
>>>>> RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>>>
>>>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>>>>
>>>>> @StarchildSF
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 12:00 AM, Ken Moellman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I found out about this campaign yesterday (now, 2 days ago) and the
>>>>> referenced KSL interview almost immediately starts with the candidate
>>>>> saying "I'm not going to win." It made me sad. More importantly, I can't
>>>>> agree to give money to someone who has already conceded the race. I mean,
>>>>> what is the money going to be used for? Losing better?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> By contrast, from what I can see, candidates like Laura Ebke and at
>>>>> least one of the recent converts in NH are gearing up re-election campaigns
>>>>> with the intent to win. They certainly haven't publicly conceded, anyway.
>>>>> There are lots of candidates throughout the country gearing up for 2018
>>>>> races. 4 L converts and many other candidates looking to run winnable
>>>>> races.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If this body decides to support candidates, I'd really rather see this
>>>>> body support candidates that are running to win.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 2:18 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello everyone, I received the below request from Dr. Joe Buchman
>>>>> (Utah) and have been speaking with him about this for the past few weeks.
>>>>> I would like us to consider assisting him to our maximum allowed of 5K.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ========
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To the members of the LNC:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The resignation of Representative Chaffetz nine days ago from the
>>>>> Third District of Utah has created a Special Election to be held 7
>>>>> November 2017.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe Buchman is the Libertarian Candidate for that seat and following a
>>>>> special election convention by the Libertarian Party of Utah is on the
>>>>> ballot for November 7th. There is a Democratic opponent. Three
>>>>> Republicans will face each other in a primary next month.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> See: https://elections.utah.gov/election-resources/2017-cand
>>>>> idate-filings
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is, we believe, the only remaining contest for federal office in
>>>>> 2017 with a Libertarian candidate.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To date Dr. Buchman has invested $1,000.00 of his personal funds in
>>>>> the campaign and has raised approximately $250.00 from other donors, with
>>>>> promises for about $500 in process.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe has just been scheduled as the sole guest for the first hour of
>>>>> Coast to Coast AM, a national networked late-night radio talk show with an
>>>>> estimated *2.5 million listeners*, for *Saturday** evening, July
>>>>> 29th, 10:05PM to 11:00PM Pacific time*. Past show hosts Art Bell and
>>>>> Rollye James were self-identified Libertarians, and past guests have
>>>>> included Judge Jim Gray, Michael Badnarik, Aaron Russo, Harry Browne, Andre
>>>>> Marrou and Dr. Buchman himself (in 2008, when he last ran for the US
>>>>> Congress).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> See: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/search/?query=libertarian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe will be discussing his campaign for the US Congress, his platform
>>>>> as an expression of the NAP and Self-Ownership paradigms, will be directing
>>>>> listeners to his website and will be requesting donations. The Coast to
>>>>> Coast website will also provide a link to his campaign site -
>>>>> www.GotoL.vote
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a request for national party funding for this singularly
>>>>> important Special Election campaign.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The resignation of Representative Chaffetz has already generated
>>>>> significant national media attention, and this race is likely to continue
>>>>> to generate national media coverage as the replacement of Congressman
>>>>> Chaffetz will reflect, to some degree, a measure of voter confidence in the
>>>>> Trump administration.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Libertarian Party nationally will benefit from this election, the
>>>>> last of 2017 to include a Libertarian candidate for federal office.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If a funding agreement can be reached prior to the show, Dr. Buchman
>>>>> would then appeal to Coast to Coast listeners with a promise that any
>>>>> donations received during the show will be matched dollar-for-dollar. The
>>>>> show will be replayed and will also be available as a download from the
>>>>> network website.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe has been interviewed by three local papers (the Salt Lake Tribune,
>>>>> Deseret News and City Weekly) and by KSL Radio's Doug Wright.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That 9 minute radio interview can be found at:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.ksl.com/?nid=1388&a=11898
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bottom line: Joe is experienced with media interviews, had a prior
>>>>> career in radio (including working with Bill Redpath at WTTS radio in the
>>>>> 1970s), is passionate about both Libertarian political pragmatism and
>>>>> philosophy, *and is currently scheduled for one of the most visible
>>>>> media appearances by any Libertarian Candidate this month* (and
>>>>> perhaps for the remainder of this year).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This special election creates something of a special case for funding;
>>>>> an amount equivalent to that provided to the recent candidate in Montana
>>>>> would seem equitable.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> With gratitude for your consideration of this request,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> PS If you do choose to listen to the KSL interview and/or to review
>>>>> the website and links to the print interviews there; ALL feedback,
>>>>> suggestions for improvement are also welcomed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>
>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>
>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>
>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>
>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>
>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>
>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>
>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>
>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>
>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>
>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>
>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>
>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>
>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>
>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>
>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>
>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> *We defend your rights*
>> *And oppose the use of force*
>> *Taxation is theft*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> *We defend your rights*
> *And oppose the use of force*
> *Taxation is theft*
>
>
>
>
>
--
*In Liberty,*
*Caryn Ann Harlos*
Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
<http://www.lpcolorado.org>
Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
<http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
*We defend your rights*
*And oppose the use of force*
*Taxation is theft*
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