[Lnc-business] Request for co-sponsors for motion to support campaign of Joe Buchman
Sam Goldstein
goldsteinatlarge at gmail.com
Sat Jul 15 08:07:14 EDT 2017
Caryn Ann,
Please restate your motion and list the other co-sponsors. I can't find it
in this
very long email stream.
Thanks,
Sam Goldstein
Libertarian National Committee
Member at Large
8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101
Indianapolis IN 46260
317-850-0726 Phone
317-582-1773 Fax
On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 1:22 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi, I am just making sure this gets bumped up as I have the necessary
> co-sponsors and Dr. Buchman was inquiring about the time frame for a vote.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Correction: Joe is running in 2018 when he WINS this race too :) That
>> campaign has already started as well.
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Joe's doggedness has impressed me and he is campaigning hard. Further
>>> in this period of time where members are looking for us to keep up the
>>> momentum, this will please members as well.
>>>
>>> Once the email vote goes up, please, please vote yes. Do not allow our
>>> failure to develop guidelines hurt a life member/hard-working-activist/multiple
>>> time candidate. Further he is going to run in 2018 as well if he does not
>>> win this race so we are laying groundwork for TWO campaigns. That is
>>> amazing.
>>>
>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 1:00 PM, David Demarest <
>>> dprattdemarest at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Starchild, thank you for your careful evaluation of this challenging
>>>> question. I agree with your conclusion.
>>>>
>>>> In the spirit of Libertarianism, competitive bidding is a desired goal,
>>>> particularly for governance and social services. However, compulsory
>>>> representative democracy is a dysfunctional governance artifice to begin
>>>> with.
>>>>
>>>> Accordingly, competitive bidding for our campaign financial support has
>>>> its limitations and would be impossible to quantify. Guidelines would be
>>>> helpful, albeit inevitably subjective based on our evaluation of candidate
>>>> merits and electoral race relevance based on our diverse individual
>>>> Libertarian principle perspectives that complicate reaching a consensus. Ad
>>>> hoc debates like this may be the only realistic option. Again, however,
>>>> guidelines would help and the sooner available, the better.
>>>>
>>>> I suggest that we proceed post haste with guideline development but in
>>>> the meantime do not shirk our duty on ad hoc candidate vetting.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 13, 2017 1:29 PM, "Starchild" <sfdreamer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been torn over this. I consider Joe both a good friend and a
>>>>> principled libertarian with excellent ethical instincts, a lack of burning
>>>>> ambition, and solid enough balls to stand up and speak out on principle
>>>>> when he sees something wrong going on – in short, just the kind of
>>>>> Libertarian we need in office. He is waging a radical and spirited campaign
>>>>> for public office using wit and humor, the kind of campaign that does us
>>>>> credit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nevertheless I am also very much in agreement with Sam Goldstein that
>>>>> we need to stop appropriating candidate funds in an ad hoc manner. To do so
>>>>> is unfair and probably on the whole produces results that are far from
>>>>> optimum, much like awarding contracts without competitive bidding or hiring
>>>>> new employees without an open call for applicants. Having not long before
>>>>> we received this request presented to the LNC a proposal to address this
>>>>> situation, I was at that time of a mind not to support any more such
>>>>> requests until we either approve it, or adopt some other reasonable
>>>>> approach that strives for fairness, consistency, and equal opportunity in
>>>>> how we allocate funds.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet against this intent I must now weigh the obvious merits of Joe
>>>>> Buchman's campaign and Caryn Ann's strong case on his behalf, including the
>>>>> fact that this is the big national campaign we have going right now, and
>>>>> Joe is getting great exposure. In the end it is possible I am allowing
>>>>> myself to be swayed by friendship and personal familiarity and regard,
>>>>> which is precisely the danger of the way we are conducting this process (or
>>>>> lack of a process), and if some feel I am making the wrong decision I can't
>>>>> really blame them. Nevertheless, I'm going to go ahead and co-sponsor in
>>>>> the knowledge that we'll be supporting a terrific candidate and a man of
>>>>> integrity who I trust to spend the money wisely.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I gather we now have the requisite four votes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>>
>>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>> RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>>>> @StarchildSF
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 13, 2017, at 9:40 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe did very well in the debate - he only had the questions ahead of
>>>>> time for a few hours while the old party candidates had them for a few
>>>>> weeks. He is now working hard to get in the next major debate. This is a
>>>>> candidate doing a real campaign... looking for one more co-sponsor.
>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>
>>>>> http://kutv.com/news/local/3rd-district-candidates-try-to-br
>>>>> eak-out-of-the-pack-at-debate-in-provo
>>>>>
>>>>> ==But Curtis came with a target on his back. When he told the crowd
>>>>> the federal government's proper role included overseeing currency, Buchman
>>>>> pounced.
>>>>> "Mr. Mayor, I apologize but I get to correct you," he said. "As
>>>>> someone who earned a PhD and an MBA in finance, the Federal Reserve is a
>>>>> private bank."==
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 9:30 PM, David Demarest <
>>>>> dpdemarest at centurylink.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Regarding Dr. Buchman’s alleged “I can’t win” comment, Larry Sharpe
>>>>>> has pointed out that despite the admittedly formidable odds against Larry
>>>>>> winning the 2018 New York Governor’s race, it will be worth it not only to
>>>>>> lay a foundation for the future but also, and just as important, to provide
>>>>>> considerable credibility and word-of-mouth publicity impact to down-ticket
>>>>>> races.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~David
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *2018 Omaha Roads to Liberty Un-Convention*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~David Pratt Demarest
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LSLA Vice-Chair
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LPNE State Central Committee, Secretary
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On
>>>>>> Behalf Of *Ken Moellman
>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 11, 2017 9:33 PM
>>>>>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Request for co-sponsors for motion to
>>>>>> support campaign of Joe Buchman
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I cannot co-sponsor because I'm an alternate. However, I have had
>>>>>> several conversations and I want to chime back in and revise my statements
>>>>>> from my initial email.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not know Dr. Buchman personally, and nothing I said before was
>>>>>> meant to be personal. As a former campaign manager, anything that sounds
>>>>>> like "I can't win" makes me want to set the room on fire. I'm a bit
>>>>>> sensitive on that matter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since that time, I have learned more information.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The core issue is the use of the funds. If the funds are being used
>>>>>> to increase the ability of the campaign to do long-term outreach (supplies
>>>>>> promoting the LP, building local parties, etc.), I could be convinced to
>>>>>> support such a measure. By contrast, if the funds are being used to
>>>>>> purchase supplies like yard signs or other "temporary" campaign-related
>>>>>> costs, I'd definitely be against it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm just an alternate, so my vote rarely counts. But after obtaining
>>>>>> more information and further thought on the matter, I felt it necessary to
>>>>>> append my previous comments with these.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ken
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 5:48 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe is also a friend of mine, and yes, he is "okay" with it, meaning
>>>>>> no ill feelings as he is a long-term and dedicated member of the Party who
>>>>>> understands that this is business, he certainly urged me to ask, and has
>>>>>> been asking me for updates-- so it would mean a great to him and his
>>>>>> campaign. This is the only Federal race going on right now - and he just
>>>>>> scored a victory getting into a previously denied debate. I have explained
>>>>>> the realities of the situation with having no set standards yet and he
>>>>>> understands -- but he certainly did ask me to pursue this. And members
>>>>>> have asked me about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As to funding ballot access, though I respect my predecessor Norm
>>>>>> immensely - he and I are of different minds when it comes to ballot access
>>>>>> funding - he would routinely vote no. I have always voted yes. There are
>>>>>> many reasons for that but one issue that arises is that Region 1 gets short
>>>>>> shrift in that - or it can **appear** so. I am fully on board with the
>>>>>> idea that nationwide ballot access benefits everyone, but it is certainly
>>>>>> true that these funds do not go to Region 1 - with the highest numerical
>>>>>> amounts of affiliates (9 states). Utah is Region 1 and helping with a
>>>>>> Region 1 campaign helps to balance this out and thus far, I have had the
>>>>>> full support of my regional chairs when supporting ballot access funding
>>>>>> because I press the case that region 1 is getting benefits from pushing
>>>>>> national memberships and in their national membership.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also urge other members to give a contribution. I will be doing so
>>>>>> when I see how this month's finances go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thank David and Whitney for co-sponsoring. *I ask for one more.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Caryn Ann
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 12:13 PM, William Redpath <
>>>>>> wredpath2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe Buchman is a multi-decade friend of mine. I thank him very much
>>>>>> for running--he jumped in at the last minute when another candidate backed
>>>>>> out--and wish him the best in his Campaign. I have personally contributed
>>>>>> $201 to Joe Buchman's Campaign. I urge other members of the LNC to do so,
>>>>>> as well. However, I am opposed to the LNC contributing to his Campaign. I
>>>>>> have discussed this with Joe, and he is OK with no LNC funding of his
>>>>>> Campaign. I wish we did, but the LNC currently does not have the resources
>>>>>> to be contributing to many, if any, candidates, particularly when we have
>>>>>> other needs, including ballot access in Tennessee and Alabama. And, we
>>>>>> have Ohio to finish, and that is a big job.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I ask people not to co-sponsor this motion and, should it become a
>>>>>> motion, to vote "No."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Redpath
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 7/11/17, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com
>>>>>> <https://mg.mail.yahoo.com/neo/b/compose?to=carynannharlos@gmail.com>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Request for co-sponsors for motion to
>>>>>> support campaign of Joe Buchman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To: "Libertarian National Committee list" <lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>>>>> <https://mg.mail.yahoo.com/neo/b/compose?to=lnc-business@hq.lp.org>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cc: "Joseph Buchman" <drbuchman at gmail.com
>>>>>> <https://mg.mail.yahoo.com/neo/b/compose?to=drbuchman@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Tuesday, July 11, 2017, 1:31 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe got in
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the debates - this is getting momentum. I am once again
>>>>>>
>>>>>> asking for the needed co-sponsors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:08 PM, David Demarest <
>>>>>> dprattdemarest at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will co-sponsor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 11, 2017 12:32 PM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <
>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe got in the debates - this is getting momentum. I am once again
>>>>>> asking for the needed co-sponsors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:45 AM, Daniel Hayes <
>>>>>> danielehayes at icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nick,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am sure you are already on it but would this warrant a letter from
>>>>>> Oliver? It sounds like it may. Only including two people from the old
>>>>>> establishment parties in the debate, for the sake of time as the criteria I
>>>>>> have seen for the inclusion, doesn't seem unbiased to me. AFP is a
>>>>>> non-profit as I recall. That might put AFP in an even more precarious
>>>>>> position than the television station in Montana.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As this is regarding potential legal action, I don't expect much of a
>>>>>> response here on this public list. I am certain the letters,
>>>>>> correspondence, filings and other actions, if appropriate, will be put into
>>>>>> action by those with the letters J.D. behind their name.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel Hayes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LNC At Large Member
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 11, 2017, at 1:31 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dr. Buchman sent this to me this morning to provide an answer to
>>>>>> Ken's inquiry and to give information and a request about the debates he
>>>>>> has been excluded from. It did not make it to my inbox however and he
>>>>>> re-sent to me after speaking on the phone this evening and since that time
>>>>>> he has been officially denied debate access (as per the response I posted
>>>>>> in another LNC business thread). But please take this information into
>>>>>> consideration in this request.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know that we want to develop a candidate assistance procedure. And
>>>>>> I understand that is on the agenda for August. But I ask please do not let
>>>>>> that get in the way of assisting a candidate now. It is not the fault of
>>>>>> the candidates that we don't yet have such a procedure and this is in the
>>>>>> only Federal race now - great opportunity to get attention for a committed
>>>>>> Libertarian candidate. Please consider this request..... and in member
>>>>>> relations purpose, it does not help member confidence when we are not
>>>>>> assisting when we can in a race that has the sole stage right now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>Why won't we assist with the campaign of this candidate in the
>>>>>> Federal race?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>Because we don't have criteria for assistance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>Why don't you have criteria?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>Because we haven't done it yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>So candidates suffer from LNC lack of establishment of protocol?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Mark Wicks donation invigorated that race and our members. This
>>>>>> could do likewise. Please co-sponsor my request.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The below is from Dr. Buchman:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ===========
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am asking for help from those who have connections with Americans
>>>>>> for Prosperity in my request to be included in their Third District
>>>>>> candidate debates. Please see the email I sent to them copied below and
>>>>>> help if you can.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I said in the KSL interview, the first step toward winning is
>>>>>> getting into these debates. I see getting into the debates as where the
>>>>>> focus should be, just as a mountain climber focuses on the next step, or
>>>>>> Governor Johnson focuses on the next curve in his mountain road. To focus
>>>>>> on "winning the race" rather than those immediate intermediate goals is not
>>>>>> a winning strategy; it's delusional. I did not say, and have never said,
>>>>>> "I am not going to win." What I said was: "I am not running to win . . .
>>>>>> primarily I am running, first, to get into the debates." I also said:
>>>>>> "The chances of a Libertarian winning the Third District in Utah are not
>>>>>> impossible; I’m swinging; I’m going to go for it; I’m giving it everything
>>>>>> I have. "
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I sure wish saying that had made every KSL and LNC listener "happy."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll leave it to others to discern if my interview with Doug Wright
>>>>>> (has invited me back again) is fairly characterized as a "concession
>>>>>> speech."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If that has left you off-put for listening to the entire interview,
>>>>>> I'd ask you read the following for the full context and reconsider:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WRIGHT: This gentleman has some KSL connections that we’ll talk about
>>>>>> some other time, but I want to really get into the motivation, what caused
>>>>>> you to want to get into this race; you’ve got a PhD, you’re running as a
>>>>>> Libertarian, so let’s just set the stage. Give us a little background on
>>>>>> you and why you are in this race.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BUCHMAN: You know Doug, when I walked into your waiting room, I see
>>>>>> there in the lobby, huge letters on the wall, “A Light of Truth in the
>>>>>> World.” The truth that I run on is the foundation of Libertarian politics
>>>>>> which is the fundamental principle in our philosophy that drives our
>>>>>> politics, our ethics, our morality and those other fields of philosophy of
>>>>>> which politics is one, is pretty simple, that is that no human being should
>>>>>> have the right to initiate force, violence against others, to initiate
>>>>>> force. And then the second core principle is that you either own your
>>>>>> physical body, it’s yours to do with as you see fit, or you’re part slave;
>>>>>> you’re owned by someone else. So we take the principles of non-initiation
>>>>>> of aggression and self-ownership and we apply them to politics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like you said, I am a college professor, that’s where I am coming
>>>>>> from. I am not running to win, the chances of a Libertarian winning the
>>>>>> Third District in Utah are not impossible; I’m swinging; I’m going to go
>>>>>> for it; I’m giving it everything I have . . .
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WRIGHT: right . . .
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BUCHMAN: . . . if I can get Rosie O’ Donnell to retweet something,
>>>>>> who knows . . .
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WRIGHT: It worked for Dr. Allen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BUCHMAN: . . . or Drew Carey, or Penn & Teller or some other
>>>>>> Libertarians who we are reaching out to, who knows? Anything is possible;
>>>>>> but primarily I am running, first of all, to get into the debates. We need
>>>>>> a Libertarian voice in the debates.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My email to Americans for Prosperity:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Joseph Buchman <drbuchman at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Date: Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 3:45 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Third District Candidate debate
>>>>>> To: infout at afphq.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am writing as the Libertarian Party of Utah's candidate for the
>>>>>> Third District to request inclusion in the debates sponsored by Americans
>>>>>> For Prosperity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See, for example, https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154532862
>>>>>> 572120&set=gm.1744266952269118&type=3&theater
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am on the ballot as a General Election candidate for this office,
>>>>>> see:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://elections.utah.gov/election-resources/2017-candidate-filings
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the absence of an invitation to participate in your debates, may I
>>>>>> inquire of the standards/process for your selection of candidates?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your attention to this request,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These debates were announced on Friday; the first debate is to be
>>>>>> held tomorrow (Tuesday evening). I'll be there either in the
>>>>>> audience or on the stage. See:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.sltrib.com/news/5485360-155/two-debates-set-for-t
>>>>>> hree-republican
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And while they are now being repurposed as for the "Republican
>>>>>> primary candidates only" please note the portion of the article which
>>>>>> indicates the Democrat was invited.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Democrat Kathie Allen — who's raised nearly $700,000 in donations —
>>>>>> did not respond to an invitation to join the event, Everton said."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Evelyn Everton is the Utah State Director for Americans for
>>>>>> Prosperity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope you'll listen to the entire KSL interview and form your own
>>>>>> opinion of it. I'm sure I could have done better and continue to seek your
>>>>>> constructive feedback as well as help in having Americans for Prosperity
>>>>>> include the Libertarian in their debates.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks again for your consideration,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________
>>>>>> Joseph G. Buchman, PhD
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 584 Hillside Circle
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alpine UT 84004
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +++++++++++
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------Caryn Ann
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very good points Starchild and both views are represented in our
>>>>>> membership.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I certainly hope we don't divisively "take sides" on that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 6:07 AM Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're certainly not the first Libertarian to express a disappointed
>>>>>> emotional reaction to a candidate's realistic appraisal of his or her
>>>>>> chances, but to you and any other Libertarian who has felt this way, I say
>>>>>> take heart! One can lose in conventional terms and still win in libertarian
>>>>>> terms. A *conventional* win means the warm body you
>>>>>> support occupying the sought-after office. A *libertarian* win,
>>>>>> however, means advancing the cause of freedom! Such wins can happen in any
>>>>>> number of ways – building momentum for a future run, exposing more people
>>>>>> to libertarian ideas, building the party, etc. Of course the cause of
>>>>>> freedom is *usually* more likely to be advanced by a Libertarian
>>>>>> occupying the sought-after office than by not occupying it – but it isn't
>>>>>> the be-all, end-all it's too often made out to be. In some ways, the real
>>>>>> fight begins *after* an election is won. If an elected Libertarian
>>>>>> isn't mentally prepared to stick to his or her libertarian principles and
>>>>>> positions, or doesn't have solidly libertarian principles or positions to
>>>>>> begin with, the real, post-election fight for what s/he will do in office
>>>>>> is as good as lost. Amid the statist culture and pressures in which s/he
>>>>>> will be immersed, such an elected Libertarian will have little chance of
>>>>>> surviving with an agenda to advance the cause of freedom intact.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Predicting* an election loss also isn't the same thing as
>>>>>> *conceding*. When a candidate *concedes* a race, s/he is saying "the
>>>>>> campaign is over, my opponent won". Clearly Joe Buchman is saying no such
>>>>>> thing! From appearances, he is running and will continue to run a vigorous
>>>>>> campaign and seek as much exposure for our ideas and as many votes as
>>>>>> possible. He is running to win in libertarian terms. But is it wise to
>>>>>> predict a loss at the ballot box? While miracles occasionally do happen
>>>>>> and I've suggested candidates leave the perceptions door open by not
>>>>>> entirely ruling out the possibility of getting elected, I would much rather
>>>>>> see a Libertarian fighting a long-shot campaign – and this is obviously a
>>>>>> long-shot campaign; no Libertarian has come close to being elected to
>>>>>> Congress – say flat-out that s/he won't win, than to flat-out say that s/he
>>>>>> will. Any candidate facing those kind of odds who predicts electoral
>>>>>> victory is either deceiving him/herself, or attempting to deceive others.
>>>>>> The former shows a poor grasp of reality, while the latter shows a lack of
>>>>>> integrity. Neither reflects well on the candidate! Joe, by contrast, showed
>>>>>> his good character by giving an honest and realistic assessment of his
>>>>>> chances. For every person out there who thinks, 'I want to vote for someone
>>>>>> who tells me s/he's going to win', I believe there's another person out
>>>>>> there thinking, 'I want to vote for someone who has integrity and tells the
>>>>>> truth'. To which type of voter mentality should we, as the Party of
>>>>>> Principle, be trying to appeal?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Love & Liberty,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ((( starchild )))
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>>>>
>>>>>> RealReform at earthlink.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (415) 625-FREE
>>>>>>
>>>>>> @StarchildSF
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 12:00 AM, Ken Moellman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I found out about this campaign yesterday (now, 2 days ago) and the
>>>>>> referenced KSL interview almost immediately starts with the candidate
>>>>>> saying "I'm not going to win." It made me sad. More importantly, I can't
>>>>>> agree to give money to someone who has already conceded the race. I mean,
>>>>>> what is the money going to be used for? Losing better?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By contrast, from what I can see, candidates like Laura Ebke and at
>>>>>> least one of the recent converts in NH are gearing up re-election campaigns
>>>>>> with the intent to win. They certainly haven't publicly conceded, anyway.
>>>>>> There are lots of candidates throughout the country gearing up for 2018
>>>>>> races. 4 L converts and many other candidates looking to run winnable
>>>>>> races.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If this body decides to support candidates, I'd really rather see
>>>>>> this body support candidates that are running to win.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 2:18 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>>>>>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello everyone, I received the below request from Dr. Joe Buchman
>>>>>> (Utah) and have been speaking with him about this for the past few weeks.
>>>>>> I would like us to consider assisting him to our maximum allowed of 5K.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ========
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To the members of the LNC:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The resignation of Representative Chaffetz nine days ago from the
>>>>>> Third District of Utah has created a Special Election to be held 7
>>>>>> November 2017.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe Buchman is the Libertarian Candidate for that seat and following
>>>>>> a special election convention by the Libertarian Party of Utah is on the
>>>>>> ballot for November 7th. There is a Democratic opponent. Three
>>>>>> Republicans will face each other in a primary next month.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See: https://elections.utah.gov/election-resources/2017-cand
>>>>>> idate-filings
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is, we believe, the only remaining contest for federal office in
>>>>>> 2017 with a Libertarian candidate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To date Dr. Buchman has invested $1,000.00 of his personal funds in
>>>>>> the campaign and has raised approximately $250.00 from other donors, with
>>>>>> promises for about $500 in process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe has just been scheduled as the sole guest for the first hour of
>>>>>> Coast to Coast AM, a national networked late-night radio talk show with an
>>>>>> estimated *2.5 million listeners*, for *Saturday** evening, July
>>>>>> 29th, 10:05PM to 11:00PM Pacific time*. Past show hosts Art Bell
>>>>>> and Rollye James were self-identified Libertarians, and past guests have
>>>>>> included Judge Jim Gray, Michael Badnarik, Aaron Russo, Harry Browne, Andre
>>>>>> Marrou and Dr. Buchman himself (in 2008, when he last ran for the US
>>>>>> Congress).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/search/?query=libertarian
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe will be discussing his campaign for the US Congress, his platform
>>>>>> as an expression of the NAP and Self-Ownership paradigms, will be directing
>>>>>> listeners to his website and will be requesting donations. The Coast to
>>>>>> Coast website will also provide a link to his campaign site -
>>>>>> www.GotoL.vote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a request for national party funding for this singularly
>>>>>> important Special Election campaign.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The resignation of Representative Chaffetz has already generated
>>>>>> significant national media attention, and this race is likely to continue
>>>>>> to generate national media coverage as the replacement of Congressman
>>>>>> Chaffetz will reflect, to some degree, a measure of voter confidence in the
>>>>>> Trump administration.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Libertarian Party nationally will benefit from this election, the
>>>>>> last of 2017 to include a Libertarian candidate for federal office.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If a funding agreement can be reached prior to the show, Dr. Buchman
>>>>>> would then appeal to Coast to Coast listeners with a promise that any
>>>>>> donations received during the show will be matched dollar-for-dollar. The
>>>>>> show will be replayed and will also be available as a download from the
>>>>>> network website.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe has been interviewed by three local papers (the Salt Lake
>>>>>> Tribune, Deseret News and City Weekly) and by KSL Radio's Doug Wright.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That 9 minute radio interview can be found at:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.ksl.com/?nid=1388&a=11898
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bottom line: Joe is experienced with media interviews, had a prior
>>>>>> career in radio (including working with Bill Redpath at WTTS radio in the
>>>>>> 1970s), is passionate about both Libertarian political pragmatism and
>>>>>> philosophy, *and is currently scheduled for one of the most visible
>>>>>> media appearances by any Libertarian Candidate this month* (and
>>>>>> perhaps for the remainder of this year).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This special election creates something of a special case for
>>>>>> funding; an amount equivalent to that provided to the recent candidate in
>>>>>> Montana would seem equitable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With gratitude for your consideration of this request,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS If you do choose to listen to the KSL interview and/or to review
>>>>>> the website and links to the print interviews there; ALL feedback,
>>>>>> suggestions for improvement are also welcomed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *In Liberty,*
>>>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org/>
>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/>
>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>>>
>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>>>> *We defend your rights*
>>>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *In Liberty,*
>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>>
>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>> *We defend your rights*
>>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>> *Taxation is theft*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *In Liberty,*
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
>> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>> *We defend your rights*
>> *And oppose the use of force*
>> *Taxation is theft*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus
> <http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org>
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> *We defend your rights*
> *And oppose the use of force*
> *Taxation is theft*
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Lnc-business mailing list
> Lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
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