[Lnc-business] Resignation From LPF

[Erin Adams]

There are a lot of if's here, agreed. If this can be proven , if the
affiliate allows and or supports this........ If those things are true, and
we stay silent, that makes us complicit. That is not an action I will
voluntary associate with. Complicit support of bigotry isnt a path Ill join
anyone on. Not today, not ever. Thats just me.

In Liberty,
Erin Adams
Director of Fundraising and Events
The Feldman Foundation
(405) 780-2791

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I don't think the conversation is about our personal disgust.  I doubt
> there is anyone here who doesn't feel the same.  I have actually argued
> that LP Libertarianism is actually "thick" on that score - we reprove all
> bigotry whether it involves force or not.
>
> This isn't about our personal disgust.  It is about what the LNC can and
> should do as the LNC.
>
> In my personal capacity I express such disgust routinely.
>
> But I'm not going down the road of LNC policing.  Oregon was the
> motivation for me to go down this path of national leadership.  I ran on a
> promise of not expanding LNC control over affiliates.
>
> We can personally support Paul.  But that was sent to us as an LNC body
> and I have NO mandate from Region 1 to interfere in Florida.  And none of
> the Region 1 states want the LNC in their business either.
>
> We can and should clearly and forcefully state our position.  And if
> someone has the desire to move to disaffiliate- do so.  But us talking
> about what "else" we can do as the LNC above our role is not appropriate.
>
> We can encourage our state affiliates to take a stand.  CO loves to put
> out resolutions- they might here.
>
> We can put out statements,  But our ONLY disciplinary route with Florida
> is disaffiliation.
>
> -Caryn Ann
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 8:30 PM David Demarest <dpdemarest at centurylink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Caryn Ann, thank you for sharing your disgust with bigotry.
>>
>>
>>
>> Economic and social ostracism responses to bigotry are appropriate from
>> all of us, both as individual Libertarians and as members of Libertarian
>> institutions. It may be a Florida problem but that will not stop me as a
>> Nebraskan from expressing my disgust with anything related to
>> supremacy-driven behavior.
>>
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>>
>> Thoughts?
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>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
>> Of *Caryn Ann Harlos
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 23, 2017 9:08 PM
>> *To:* lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> *Cc:* lnc-business <lnc-business at lp.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Resignation From LPF
>>
>>
>>
>> Our only recourse is disaffiliation.
>>
>>
>>
>> And obviously I think such claims if true to be a gross violation of the
>> SoP.
>>
>>
>>
>> I also think promoting any continuation of state force is and we can find
>> examples of that if we wish to being promoted within state parties.
>>
>>
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>> I'm not eager to go down that road.
>>
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>>
>> Which is the same answer I gave people who wanted us to "do something"
>> about our last ticket.
>>
>>
>>
>> I find white nationalism to be completely unacceptable and cheered at
>> Wes' invitation for them to leave.  Note it did not contain any threat to
>> throw them out or discipline them because *that is not our role*
>>
>>
>>
>> Every action above the bounds starts with good intentions.  Good
>> intentions gave us the welfare state.  I do not want nor are we entitled to
>> be, consolidating power in the LNC no matter what "good" thing might come
>> of one action.
>>
>>
>>
>> The national party consistently putting out consistent principles
>> foundational libertarianism and eschewing both a drift to the right and to
>> the left is what we can and should do.
>>
>>
>>
>> The white nationalists hate me for a reason - I think ethnomasochist is
>> their preferred term for me- but that does not justify us patenting an
>> affiliate.
>>
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>>
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
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>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 7:59 PM Erin Adams <erinadams@
>> thefeldmanfoundation.org> wrote:
>>
>> IF there is "merit" to these claims, would not article 5 section 4 of the
>> bylaws come into question? Are we REALLY saying that if this is true,
>> promoting an agenda of hate or allowing the promotion of such is in line
>> with the Statement of Principles or the Bylaws? I just dont see it that way
>>
>>
>> In Liberty,
>> Erin Adams
>> Director of Fundraising and Events
>>
>> The Feldman Foundation
>> (405) 780-2791
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
>> carynannharlos at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Oh yes because the LNC interfering in the autonomy of an affiliate worked
>> out SO WELL in the past.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm not eager to repeat Oregon.
>>
>>
>>
>> And Florida has a representative.  He was elected to deal with the
>> concerns of that region and responded.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Caryn Ann
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:45 PM Erin Adams <erinadams@
>> thefeldmanfoundation.org> wrote:
>>
>> I tend to agree with Mr. Katz on this.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 23, 2017 7:40 PM, "Joshua Katz" <joshua.katz at lp.org> wrote:
>>
>> The original email in this thread was from Mr. Stanton (whom I've never
>> met).  He accused a member of the LPF leadership, who is also a Libertarian
>> candidate (and whom I have also never met) of being a white supremacist
>> leader, and of making threats towards himself and others.  I have no way of
>> knowing if these accusations are true, but they most certainly are
>> disturbing if true - and the sorts of things I would expect the affiliate
>> to react to.  If they are true and the affiliate does not react, I would
>> expect this board to take action.
>>
>>
>>
>> Instead, the responses I've seen seem to combine shrugs with exhortations
>> that Mr. Stanton should deal with it himself, and some variation on "hey,
>> we're all on the same team, work together."  Again, I do not know if the
>> accusations are true, but if they are, then we are not, in fact, all on the
>> same team.  I am not on the same team as any white supremacist, or anyone
>> who thinks the use of threats and intimidation, together with violent white
>> supremacist and anti-semitic rhetoric, are acceptable ways of conducting
>> business.
>>
>>
>>
>> Such a pre-modern retreat to tribalism, to prejudice, to
>> anti-individualism, is the single largest threat to human freedom.  It is
>> the condition in which humans lived for quite some time, before
>> civilization made real freedom possible.  No party that stands for freedom
>> against all threats can tolerate those in its midst who would hold those
>> positions, let alone allowing those who advocate such positions to hold
>> leadership positions.  This cannot be a party that tolerates such things.
>> At the moment, I have no actual facts.  Furthermore, there is little we can
>> do - but little is not the same as nothing.  Let's get the facts.  The
>> response to such a statement cannot be "well, you figure it out."  That is
>> not leadership.  Nor should the response be immediate panic, or a rush to
>> judgment.  I would think the accusations are of such a nature, though, that
>> we'd want to know what is going on.
>>
>>
>> Joshua A. Katz
>>
>>
>>
>> At-Large Representative,
>>
>> Libertarian National Committee
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Paul Stanton <region7 at lpf.org> wrote:
>>
>> Marcos,
>>
>>
>>
>> Due to the LPF Executive Committee's recent refusal to respond to threats
>> targeting myself and others from Ryan Ramsey, a white supremacist leader,
>> LPF county chair, LPF EC member, and candidate for Florida House, I hereby
>> resign from all positions and membership within the Libertarian Party of
>> Florida, as I can no longer in good faith continue to ask other
>> Libertarians to support a party which allows its leaders to threaten and
>> intimidate members while repeating violent white supremacist and
>> anti-semitic rhetoric.
>>
>>
>>
>> Libertarians deserve better than the Libertarian Party of Florida.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please remove me from any mailing or membership lists and add me to the
>> LPF's do not call list. I will not be responding to any email sent to this
>> address.
>>
>>
>>
>> In liberty,
>> *Paul Stanton*
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>
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>> *In Liberty,*
>>
>> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
>>
>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
>> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
>>
>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
>>
>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>>
>>
>>
>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
>>
>> *We defend your rights*
>>
>> *And oppose the use of force*
>>
>> *Taxation is theft*
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> *In Liberty,*
> *Caryn Ann Harlos*
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.
> Harlos at LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos at LP.org>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado
> <http://www.lpcolorado.org>
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee
>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:
> *We defend your rights*
> *And oppose the use of force*
> *Taxation is theft*
>
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